Eagle » Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:33 pm wrote:You're getting into the territory of every time a CB fouls the forward you can argue it's a red card. Technically the forward is always going to have a goal scoring chance if he beats the CB so if there isn't a clean challenge then it's a red card? This isn't Isak being in behind and van Djik making up 10 yards and pulling him back. It's subjective so I get both arguements but that's not the sort of scenario we've seen the goal scoring chance rule applied to much in the past. We should be seeing far more red cards going forward if that's now the threshold.
If he's the last man then it's a red because if he didn't foul him then he was through. A CB fouling a striker outside of that is a yellow unless it's a high or wreckless challenge. Without that rule any attacker that gets through gets lifted out of it as any player is going to do it for a yellow card. The red card is the deterrent.
Worrall got sent off in the manure v forest game in a very similar position for tugging on the rabbit. Loads of stuff in the game gets misinterpreted by different referees but this decision rarely does. It's one of the easiest decisions you can give him.
kazza wrote:Eagle » Thu Aug 31, 2023 10:33 pm wrote:You're getting into the territory of every time a CB fouls the forward you can argue it's a red card. Technically the forward is always going to have a goal scoring chance if he beats the CB so if there isn't a clean challenge then it's a red card? This isn't Isak being in behind and van Djik making up 10 yards and pulling him back. It's subjective so I get both arguements but that's not the sort of scenario we've seen the goal scoring chance rule applied to much in the past. We should be seeing far more red cards going forward if that's now the threshold.
The red card rule was first brought in as defenders were stopping goal scoring chances with a dirty foul (a foul that has no intention of the ball but made only to stop an attack). Be it a trip, wrestle or a pull of the shirt but what would be deemed a professional foul and that should certainly be red carded as it is cheating.
Then there is a foul that happens as you try to get the ball, it’s bound to happen as it is a dynamic contact sport. It’s a foul and depending on the severity and could or could not be carded, I’d say that is the spirit of football. Telling a defender he must get the ball and if he didn’t then he would get an immediate red card will fundamentally change how football is played. Football is about attacking but also about defending. How many great last ditch tackles would we ever see if the defenders think they will be sent off and subsequently be suspended for multiple games.
It’s all subjective but should be about common sense.
If that is all left down to the referees then you will see nothing but inconsistencies like you do with penalties. Football is a contact sport but only in certain situations mate. How many times has one been awarded for something like brushing a leg or hand gently on the back. 90% of them are the player just falling over and its as clear as day but because he touched him it's a penalty. Far to many grey areas there as the rule isn't clear and its left to the refs. Common sense is not something everyone has Kazza and the ones who do surely have different interpretations of what that is. Who is to say he didn't take him out in order to stop us from going 2 behind. No way Isak dived either.
The club won't appeal it as they have no case and while it sucks he got sent off it is what it is. The real talking point imo should be what he did after. We got lucky with trent not going off and again everyone knows throwing the ball away is a card. If it wasn't lads would be holding on to the ball and most certainly throwing it away every single time killing momentum to slow you down. This is the way the game used to be and while I do think a lot of the new rules suck but honestly lads, I think these are the few good ones that came in.