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Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:54 pm
by JoeTerp
why do other team get the bigmick excuse pass for injuries and things, yet we dont?
you say how can a team with gerrard, torres, etc. but we really aren't a team with them. they have been hurt or half fit for the vast majority of the campaign.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:23 am
by bigmick
And scott it won't seem quite so bad as longas the Mancs don't win it. If they do though, feck me.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:56 am
by dawson99
I agree with some of what you're saying Mick, but not on Villa. They looked awful today, and I really think there position is flattering them and they wont even be top 8 come end of season.
Oh and I'd put Everton lower lol.
got us and Birmingham spot on tho
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:17 am
by account deleted by request
Ben Patrick wrote:Our shocking performances and the way we have rolled over in games does for me make it all the harder to swallow when you consider the overall standard of the opposition.
Fergie today stated its a harder league this year, you can see that by how many points the top four have dropped and how many games they have lost.
While i agree, Spurs City and Villa are stronger, i think its more to do with the top four going backwards.
United have lost 5 times and Chelsea 4 i think.
Aresnal look great at times but were overwhelmingly battered at home by Chelsea.
This should have been the season where we moved from a very close second to united and kicked on, putting pressure on the others to keep stride.
It started with a woeful pre-season where we started the season imo unfit and nowhere near ready.
Rafa over protecting the players imo - worrying too much about the season and not plotting a barnstorming start.
We had a difficult opener of that there is no doubt. But for me, you get the players ready for it and go to Spurs to win.
Win that and you set down a marker for the rest of the league.
Suddenly united and Chelsea sit up and think, sh!t these mean business this season.
But no, Rafa doesnt do short term and imo hasnt any clue about the positive effect a good start could have had. The word momentum needs spelling out to our manager.
We started poorly and got steadily worse.
The players should shoulder alot of the blame, but the manager this season has lost the plot imo.
spot on mate
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:08 am
by J*o*n*D*o*e
well to win it there going to have to be the first team to do so after losing 5 games before christmas, my money is still on Chelsea, they might be slipping a bit at the minute but i think they`ll be too strong over the whole season.
still not sure how you make out a team that has won 3 titles on the trot are not even a good team.
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:07 am
by Owzat
I think too many get carried away with last season, the first time we exceeded 77 points in three seasons.
Firstly our start was far from convincing, even if we were top. We needed late goals to beat boro 2-1, drew at home to Stoke and away to villa 0-0, needed red cards to help beat Wigan and Citeh 3-2 and a lucky deflection to get three points at the Bridge. In our first 10 games in which we were unbeaten, we won only ONE game by a margin of 2+ goals - a 2-0 win over the bitters. Sure after the spudz defeat we beat WBA 3-0 and Newcastle 5-1, but both of them were RELEGATED. We put five goals past Bolton without reply, and beat rovers 3-1, but they were also both poor, finishing on 41 points and above the drop zone when 35 points was enough to survive.
As I recall hearing in the media, the number of red cards we benefitted from was 10 last season, possibly 11. So here are how the ones I can find/recall helped us.
MNU (h) W2-1 > W2-1 : red card came 13 minutes after the winner so no influence other than them not getting an equaliser maybe
EVE (a) W2-0 > W2-0 : red card came 18 minutes after our second, they wouldn't have got back into it
MNC (a) L1-2 > W3-2 : red card came six minutes before our second when we were 2-1 down, arguably lifted us and helped get two goals to win
WIG (h) L1-2 > W3-2 : red card came five minutes before our second when we were 2-1 down, arguably lifted us and helped get two goals to win
CHE (h) D0-0 > W2-0 : red card came at 0-0, 29 minutes before we scored our first. But as I recall it was keeping errors that cost them a point
MNU (a) W2-1 > W4-1 : red card preceded Aurelio's free-kick to make it 3-1 by a minute or so, but couldn't have impacted on the free-kick going in and making it 3-1 surely?!?
AVL (h) W4-0 > W5-0 : we were 4-0 up when Friedel saw red and would have tucked the resulting penalty away against 11 men anyway
HUL (a) D1-1 > W3-1 : Folan saw red at 1-1, Kuyt scored our second four minutes later and then sealed the win in the 89th minute
NEW (h) W2-0 > W3-0 : thug saw red at 2-0, Lucas then scored late on
So I make that nine red cards and we picked up 10 more points after the red cards than we were heading for before. In some cases we might have picked up extra points anyway but equally, had opponents not had players sent off, in some cases they might have equalised or even won.
Of course the whole debate over whether a league is weak or strong depends on how you read it. Does one team surpassing 90+ points make a league strong or weak? Surely the indicator a league is strong is in the DEPTH not the top sides, that sides that are mid-table can beat the top sides (at home) Truth is it is almost impossible to tell how strong or weak a league is, even if mid-table sides do beat top sides and keep the points gap between top and bottom smaller, is that because the sides are even matched and strong, weak, average, above average or below average?!? Did Arsenal stuff villa 3-0 yesterday because there is a gulf between them bigger than one place, or because they hit form and knocked in some really classy goals?
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:12 pm
by roberto green
Seriously I would be majorly p!ssed off if the mancs won it with this team this year.It must be the worst team they have had for 20 years