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Postby maguskwt » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:43 pm

7_Kewell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:49 pm wrote:
Reg » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:14 pm wrote:
leeroy74 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:54 pm wrote:I've also never bought either TV package but we're just 2.

+3.  I go to the local pub to watch the game.  :buttrock

who pay Sky and BT Sport 10 times more in fees. There's no escaping it, sadly.

However, with Klopp's understanding of the German league....perhaps - just perhaps - he'll instil some of the Bundesliga mentality into FSG.

Here's hoping.

In what way mate? Why would FSG agree to a structure which would see them disadvantaged against other clubs?

I do think that a salary cap system would be good for the game. But then this system needs to be implemented for the whole European continent, otherwise there won't be equality because there are inter league competitions like the CL and the EL. Who in UEFA has the balls to implement it though? And then we aren't even talking about the likes of Chinese Super League raiding the players.

That's the problem with the salary cap because the leagues are members of UEFA, they need to figure out a system that works across all the member leagues. And that's next to impossible.
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Postby johnbarnes » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:24 pm

LFC is no different to Apple Inc. Profit is everything.
If FSG do make a compromise on ticket pricing, they will make the difference up elsewhere.
E.G. Official Football kits, retail, food, beverage it doesn't matter.
I'm sure somewhere on a piece of paper, FSG (or any other football owners) have worked out that each home match is worth £100 per head per home match.
Their dilemma is - How do they get that £100 out of the customers pocket and into theirs?
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Postby C-R » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:05 pm

Liverpool owners scrap £77 ticket and apologise to fans

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546090

Liverpool's owners have scrapped their controversial £77 ticket and apologised for the "distress caused" by last week's pricing announcement.

Thousands of fans walked out before the Reds threw away a 2-0 lead to draw 2-2 with Sunderland at Anfield on Saturday.

They left their seats in protest at a £77 top-priced ticket in the new main stand for next season.

Liverpool's dearest matchday ticket will now stay at £59, while the highest season-ticket price is also frozen.

More to follow.
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Postby C-R » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:10 pm

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announc ... supporters

Principal Owner John W Henry, Chairman Tom Werner and President Mike Gordon have tonight issued the following message to Liverpool supporters...

Dear Liverpool supporters,

It has been a tumultuous week. On behalf of everyone at Fenway Sports Group and Liverpool Football Club, we would like to apologise for the distress caused by our ticket pricing plan for the 2016-17 season.

The three of us have been particularly troubled by the perception that we don’t care about our supporters, that we are greedy, and that we are attempting to extract personal profits at the club’s expense. Quite the opposite is true.

From our first days as owners we have understood that serving as custodians of this incredible institution is a distinct privilege and as such, we have been driven solely by the desire to return LFC to the pinnacle of football. In the world of modern football, growing the club in a sustainable way is essential to realising this objective.

To that end, we have never taken a single penny out of the football club. Instead we have injected vast sums of our own money to improve the playing squad and modernise LFC’s infrastructure - exemplified by the £120million advance from FSG to build the new Main Stand. This massive undertaking was made in order to provide more supporters access to Anfield and also to produce additional revenue to help us compete financially with clubs that have greater resources. When it opens in August this year, the stand will accomplish those goals, thereby fulfilling a promise we made upon acquiring LFC in 2010.

We were strongly engaged in the process to develop the ticketing plan for 2016-17. We met directly with representatives of LFC’s Supporters’ Committee and along with LFC management, wholeheartedly agreed with major concerns raised, notably: access for local and young supporters; engagement and access to Anfield for local children; access to Premier League matches for those in Liverpool most challenged by affordability.   

We believe the plan successfully addressed these concerns and are disappointed that these elements have been either lost or, worse, characterised as cynical attempts to mask profiteering in the plan as a whole. Rather, we prefer to look at them as the parts of the ticketing plan we got right.

On the other hand, part of the ticketing plan we got wrong.

In addition to the other elements of the plan we proposed price increases on a number of tickets. These pricing actions generated growth in general admission ticketing revenue on a like-for-like basis exclusive of revenue from newly-added GA seats.

We believed by delivering a vastly improved seat offering in what will be the newest stand in English football, concentrating the price increases on those tickets typically purchased by fans least sensitive to affordability, and for LFC to begin repaying the £120million advance from FSG for the new Main Stand that these increases were supportable even in the context of growth in revenues from the new Premier League TV deal.

However, the widespread opposition to this element of the plan has made it clear that we were mistaken.

A great many of you have objected strongly to the £77 price level of our most expensive GA seats and expressed a clear expectation that the club should forego any increased revenue from raising prices on GA tickets in the current environment.

Message received.

After an intense period of consultation with LFC management we have decided to make major revisions to our ticketing structure for 2016-17:

Removal of game categorisation – regardless of the opposition fans will pay the same price for matchday tickets.
The pricing of tickets will be readjusted to result in zero revenue growth from GA ticketing on a like-for-like basis.
Though individual ticket prices may move marginally from this season, we are freezing our 2016-17 GA ticket revenue at the 2015-16 level exclusive of newly-added seats in the new Main Stand.
The price of our highest general admission ticket will be frozen at the 2015-16 level - £59.
The price of our highest season ticket will be frozen at the 2015-16 level - £869. The lowest price reducing a further £25 from the 2015-16 level to £685, as well as all other tiers being frozen or reduced.
£9 GA seats will be offered for each and every Premier League match, an allocation of more than 10,000 tickets across the season.
We would hasten to add that the other initiatives announced last week in the 2016-17 plan will remain:

17-21 young adult concession – 20,000 tickets across the Premier League season available at a 50 per cent reduction for young people.
1,000 tickets to Premier League matches across the season will be given away free of charge to Liverpool schoolchildren based on merit, as recommended by their teachers.
As a sign of our commitment to this improved ticketing structure, we are further announcing that this plan shall be in effect for both the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons. For the next two seasons, LFC will not earn a single additional pound from increasing general admission ticket prices.

We believe we have demonstrated a willingness to listen carefully, reconsider our position, and act decisively. The unique and sacred relationship between Liverpool Football Club and its supporters has always been foremost in our minds. It represents the heartbeat of this extraordinary football club.

More than any other factor by far, that bond is what drives us to work tirelessly on behalf of the club and its future. We have great conviction in our world-class manager and our young, talented squad and know that in time the on-pitch success we all crave will be realised.

We look forward to sharing in that success with you.

John W Henry, Tom Werner, Mike Gordon
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Postby kazza » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:29 pm

Buy us 3-4 top quality players and all will be forgiven :;):
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Postby C-R » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:30 pm

kazza » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:29 pm wrote:Buy us 3-4 top quality players and all will be forgiven :;):



only 3 or 4  :laugh:  :laugh:
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:31 pm

C-R » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:10 pm wrote:http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/206821-fsg-s-message-to-liverpool-supporters

Principal Owner John W Henry, Chairman Tom Werner and President Mike Gordon have tonight issued the following message to Liverpool supporters...

Dear Liverpool supporters,

It has been a tumultuous week. On behalf of everyone at Fenway Sports Group and Liverpool Football Club, we would like to apologise for the distress caused by our ticket pricing plan for the 2016-17 season.

The three of us have been particularly troubled by the perception that we don’t care about our supporters, that we are greedy, and that we are attempting to extract personal profits at the club’s expense. Quite the opposite is true.

From our first days as owners we have understood that serving as custodians of this incredible institution is a distinct privilege and as such, we have been driven solely by the desire to return LFC to the pinnacle of football. In the world of modern football, growing the club in a sustainable way is essential to realising this objective.

To that end, we have never taken a single penny out of the football club. Instead we have injected vast sums of our own money to improve the playing squad and modernise LFC’s infrastructure - exemplified by the £120million advance from FSG to build the new Main Stand. This massive undertaking was made in order to provide more supporters access to Anfield and also to produce additional revenue to help us compete financially with clubs that have greater resources. When it opens in August this year, the stand will accomplish those goals, thereby fulfilling a promise we made upon acquiring LFC in 2010.

We were strongly engaged in the process to develop the ticketing plan for 2016-17. We met directly with representatives of LFC’s Supporters’ Committee and along with LFC management, wholeheartedly agreed with major concerns raised, notably: access for local and young supporters; engagement and access to Anfield for local children; access to Premier League matches for those in Liverpool most challenged by affordability.   

We believe the plan successfully addressed these concerns and are disappointed that these elements have been either lost or, worse, characterised as cynical attempts to mask profiteering in the plan as a whole. Rather, we prefer to look at them as the parts of the ticketing plan we got right.

On the other hand, part of the ticketing plan we got wrong.

In addition to the other elements of the plan we proposed price increases on a number of tickets. These pricing actions generated growth in general admission ticketing revenue on a like-for-like basis exclusive of revenue from newly-added GA seats.

We believed by delivering a vastly improved seat offering in what will be the newest stand in English football, concentrating the price increases on those tickets typically purchased by fans least sensitive to affordability, and for LFC to begin repaying the £120million advance from FSG for the new Main Stand that these increases were supportable even in the context of growth in revenues from the new Premier League TV deal.

However, the widespread opposition to this element of the plan has made it clear that we were mistaken.

A great many of you have objected strongly to the £77 price level of our most expensive GA seats and expressed a clear expectation that the club should forego any increased revenue from raising prices on GA tickets in the current environment.

Message received.

After an intense period of consultation with LFC management we have decided to make major revisions to our ticketing structure for 2016-17:

Removal of game categorisation – regardless of the opposition fans will pay the same price for matchday tickets.
The pricing of tickets will be readjusted to result in zero revenue growth from GA ticketing on a like-for-like basis.
Though individual ticket prices may move marginally from this season, we are freezing our 2016-17 GA ticket revenue at the 2015-16 level exclusive of newly-added seats in the new Main Stand.
The price of our highest general admission ticket will be frozen at the 2015-16 level - £59.
The price of our highest season ticket will be frozen at the 2015-16 level - £869. The lowest price reducing a further £25 from the 2015-16 level to £685, as well as all other tiers being frozen or reduced.
£9 GA seats will be offered for each and every Premier League match, an allocation of more than 10,000 tickets across the season.
We would hasten to add that the other initiatives announced last week in the 2016-17 plan will remain:

17-21 young adult concession – 20,000 tickets across the Premier League season available at a 50 per cent reduction for young people.
1,000 tickets to Premier League matches across the season will be given away free of charge to Liverpool schoolchildren based on merit, as recommended by their teachers.
As a sign of our commitment to this improved ticketing structure, we are further announcing that this plan shall be in effect for both the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons. For the next two seasons, LFC will not earn a single additional pound from increasing general admission ticket prices.

We believe we have demonstrated a willingness to listen carefully, reconsider our position, and act decisively. The unique and sacred relationship between Liverpool Football Club and its supporters has always been foremost in our minds. It represents the heartbeat of this extraordinary football club.

More than any other factor by far, that bond is what drives us to work tirelessly on behalf of the club and its future. We have great conviction in our world-class manager and our young, talented squad and know that in time the on-pitch success we all crave will be realised.

We look forward to sharing in that success with you.

John W Henry, Tom Werner, Mike Gordon


I think we have to acknowledge the rapid response from the owners ,and also the class they have shown by totally backing down and issuing an apology without the fear of losing face. The statement they have released will have a profound effect on other clubs who will now be forced into rethinking their
own policies for ticket prices. That said ,this is a huge and momentous victory for the common fan ,makes me so proud to have in some small way been part of the process.

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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:48 pm

Yep, fair dues to Fenway.
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Postby johnbarnes » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:29 pm

So what happens now?
On the one side - It's great that FSG have reacted so positively and responsibly in a short space of time.
The flip side - Where do we go from here?
A response is now surely due from SOS, who for me are now caught in the middle between the fans of other clubs and owners of other clubs.
Do SOS simply say great and move on. Or is the quest, demand and justified cry for lower ticket prices continue with encouraged walk outs throughout the country, including Anfield.
This is not the end. It's only the beginning.
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Postby ethanr » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:24 pm

Credit to them. I'm not sure how many of you know this, but American ticket prices are way different than in England. I'm sure the owners came over and couldn't believe how cheap tickets were in England. Paying £77 for a ticket in the US (about $112), wouldn't be uncommon at all. My brother is a season ticket holder for one of our American football teams, and he paid over £8000 just for the rights to buy the tickets (to basically own those seats until he stops paying the per game rate), plus an additional £120 or so per game for the tickets themselves. Tickets a the Superbowl were going for as high as £5-6000 for a single ticket.

I'm all for people stepping up and saying too much is too much, but PL tickets are not even close to that of American ticket prices.
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Postby johnbarnes » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:36 pm

Here's something to ponder / interpret towards the end of the statement.
"We have great conviction in our world-class manager and our young, talented squad and know that in time the on-pitch success we all crave will be realised."
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Read into this as you will...
No point in crying if FSG don't back JK with as much conviction as they did the previous management.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:47 pm

Fair play to the owners. They acted quickly to fix this. And with class. Now let's see how they back Klopp in the summer.
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Postby johnbarnes » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:51 pm

ethanr » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:24 pm wrote:Credit to them. I'm not sure how many of you know this, but American ticket prices are way different than in England. I'm sure the owners came over and couldn't believe how cheap tickets were in England. Paying £77 for a ticket in the US (about $112), wouldn't be uncommon at all. My brother is a season ticket holder for one of our American football teams, and he paid over £8000 just for the rights to buy the tickets (to basically own those seats until he stops paying the per game rate), plus an additional £120 or so per game for the tickets themselves. Tickets a the Superbowl were going for as high as £5-6000 for a single ticket.

I'm all for people stepping up and saying too much is too much, but PL tickets are not even close to that of American ticket prices.


Complete different market. 300m potential customers compared to 65m potential customers.
I have paid $165 before to watch an NBA game as it was the going rate for half decent tickets and just a one off. I guess FSG saw England as being the newly converted 51st State?
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Postby eds » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:15 pm

Fair due to RBG and the rest of the 10,000 Liverpool supporters that protested by walking out, nothing better than seeing them squirm when the stark reality of how low this club is falling hits them right in the face.

As i said in the recent match thread, if only we had the same convinction when it came to player transfers.

I'm praying that Klopp is given open reigns to go about his business in summer, but I'm not holding my breathe based on the last 4-5 years under FSG.
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Postby Reg » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:02 am

Jeez my donkey jacket hadn't even arrived by mail order......

Ok for the doom sayers =>  If this is evidence to how FSG react to problems then surely they're equally aware of the squad issues and the need to back Klopp. Also that their earlier policy of buying no-marks hasn't worked and its time to change strategy?

I think we have to continue to trust the owners rather than continually blame them for everything that goes wrong.
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