Liverpool FC Forum

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:20 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:37 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:10 pm wrote:Its traditional in England to boo the pantomime villain. I think people have a right to boo. Others have a right to dislike booing. I don't think it's a measure of support or intelligence though. In a crowd of 50,000 people everyone will be different. For what's it's worth, if a man such as Rodgers insists on patting himself on the back at every opportunity then he's kind of asking for it, in my opinion. He won't boo himself, so let others do it.

Part of the Scouse identity though is that you stick together through thick and thin, it may well be an English tradition to boo but Scousers generally try to distance themselves from all that boo/who are ya/Ingerlund malarkey generally associated with southern clubs.
Stony silence is more than enough, yes Liverpool fans have the right to be unhappy but they should not be booing their own side inside Anfield, the place is practically a church.
We have been through a lot worse times than this like back in the 1950's but fans didn't resort to flying planes with banners and booing.

There's a new generation of fans inside Anfield ,they don't sing ,they don't jump up from their seats to applaud a great move or touch of genius. I've been pointing out the decline in our support for years on these very boards .When we first went the game fella we had our dads to mimic how genuine supporters react ,I mean who are their role models in life ,their fucking dads are as despondent and as lifeless as them.

New generation fella ,and there's fuck all we can do about it !  Scouse identity or not we're in decline and the times when we were so ominously audible that we scared the life out of opposing teams have long gone!

This is part of the reason BR and FSG and whoever else is responsible for the decline should get out. My stepson is 8 and up until now it's been easy to keep him interested in Liverpool. Why? Lots and lots of reasons, but mostly because of the likes of Carra and Gerrard and Suarez. Dalglish! But now it's embarrassing trying to get him to keep the faith only for the team to fail again and again. He converted when I met him at five. How can I keep him interested? It's not like when I was a kid. He's not watching the best. He's not watching characters. He's watching what could optimistically be described as the best of the rest pretending they have character. Liverpool FC is a worldwide name and I imagine fellas are having the same problem worldwide. Something needs done and fast. I don't think we've truly seen the effects yet.

Booing doesn't do anyone any good but it's just a release of frustration by the fans. The season we came second, we were playing some of the best stuff ever seen in the league and to then go from that, to the turgid stuff being served up since,  is obviously frustrating. 

I think a lot of fans just can't see things improving and the booing is just frustrations getting the better of them rather than them really having a go at the team and manager . It's a minority and it's just frustrations boiling over.

Doeboy » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:22 pm wrote:Booing doesn't do anyone any good but it's just a release of frustration by the fans. The season we came second, we were playing some of the best stuff ever seen in the league and to then go from that, to the turgid stuff being served up since,  is obviously frustrating. 

I think a lot of fans just can't see things improving and the booing is just frustrations getting the better of them rather than them really having a go at the team and manager . It's a minority and it's just frustrations boiling over.

Then they need to grow up or stop going? People should tell them to stop so it doesnt become the majority?
I understand the frustration but making a tw@t of yourself isnt the way to show it

Thommo's perm » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:30 am wrote:

Doeboy » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:22 pm wrote:Booing doesn't do anyone any good but it's just a release of frustration by the fans. The season we came second, we were playing some of the best stuff ever seen in the league and to then go from that, to the turgid stuff being served up since,  is obviously frustrating. 

I think a lot of fans just can't see things improving and the booing is just frustrations getting the better of them rather than them really having a go at the team and manager . It's a minority and it's just frustrations boiling over.

Then they need to grow up or stop going? People should tell them to stop so it doesnt become the majority?
I understand the frustration but making a tw@t of yourself isnt the way to show it

I don't get all the macho tribal talk.

If it's brown, stinks, pointy at the ends and looks like a turd, then odds on it is a turd.

If LFC are playing like headless chickens with a manager who's spent 250 million quid on Aston Villa quality players and appears to have lost the plot, then fans are entitled to voice their disapproval.

We are the customers, we pay the team. If the customers take their business elsewhere then the company goes under.

Wake up.

Reg » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:27 am wrote:

Thommo's perm » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:30 am wrote:

Doeboy » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:22 pm wrote:Booing doesn't do anyone any good but it's just a release of frustration by the fans. The season we came second, we were playing some of the best stuff ever seen in the league and to then go from that, to the turgid stuff being served up since,  is obviously frustrating. 

I think a lot of fans just can't see things improving and the booing is just frustrations getting the better of them rather than them really having a go at the team and manager . It's a minority and it's just frustrations boiling over.

Then they need to grow up or stop going? People should tell them to stop so it doesnt become the majority?
I understand the frustration but making a tw@t of yourself isnt the way to show it

I don't get all the macho tribal talk.

If it's brown, stinks, pointy at the ends and looks like a turd, then odds on it is a turd.

If LFC are playing like headless chickens with a manager who's spent 250 million quid on Aston Villa quality players and appears to have lost the plot, then fans are entitled to voice their disapproval.

We are the customers, we pay the team. If the customers take their business elsewhere then the company goes under.

Wake up.

Yeah... Wake up and smell the turd! 

You got it Mags, you're there.

Im not talking about entitlement. By your logic its acceptable to throw things on the pitch or at the dugout because youve paid your entrance fee? I am talking about how we, the best supporters in the world, are perceived and judged by our behaviour. It is full on wool behaviour to boo and only w@nkers would participate in it. What I am getting from various people here is that not only is it acceptable to be a w@nker, but it should be encouraged!
Please dont try to trivialise it, because its as important as supporting the team. I go the match with the same people and sit in the same place in the Kop and not one, not one of these men would ever dream of standing up and booing the team they support. They have more class and dignity than to embarrass themselves and the club by booing.
I really cant get my head round why anyone would defend it, never mind do it?
These are sad times for the once mighty LFC, both on and off the pitch and if people are ok with making a cu'nt out of yourself and the club then it shows how far we have fallen. Its attention seeking, childish and degrading and if people cant see that then we are well and truly fu'cked.

It's precisely that 'we are paying customers' attitude which explains why the support has probably fallen further than the team, at least the team is mid table, the fans are relegation zone standard.
They turn up like theatre goers expecting to be entertained not realising that even when you are sat in the stands football is supposed to be a participation sport, the idea is to sing songs and cheer your team on, not sit in silence texting your mates.
The ability to generate a great atmosphere has been part of the culture of both clubs in this city since the year dot, having a sing song and being the life and soul of a party was seen as being right at the heart of that working class scouse culture that had its roots in irish emigration, it was a way of showing that no matter how tough things were people weren't going to let their heads drop or let their lot in life get them down, the likes of the Beatles, The Searchers, Gerry and the Pacemakers etc didn't spring from nowhere, they sprang out of that joie de vivre type culture.
Shankly even alluded to it when he first arrived, it was in the air and it was palpable, unfortunately that spirit, just like everything else about this great club has been watered down by commercialism, consumerism and apathy.

That's cr@p Yakka, you're a romantic treating the club like an errant child. I'm fed up of 20 years of mismanagement on and off the field and think this needs to be addressed. The manager and club are hoping the silent majority will continue to pay their money and not question the on going incompetence. You mention Shanks for some reason, god knows why. The guy would be too embarrassed to sit on the Kop these days.

Reg » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:49 am wrote:That's cr@p Yakka, you're a romantic treating the club like an errant child. I'm fed up of 20 years of mismanagement on and off the field and think this needs to be addressed. The manager and club are hoping the silent majority will continue to pay their money and not question the on going incompetence. You mention Shanks for some reason, god knows why. The guy would be too embarrassed to sit on the Kop these days.

That's a good post, Reg. Using Shankly as a yardstick isn't a fair comparison. A lot of the things that have happened under BR would have horrified him. Holding onto some belief that we don't boo because we're better than that is naive and overly romantic. It all seems very opinionated too and may I says touch "holier than though"?
Thommo has opened a thread that should be ripe for discussion but then he hurls insults at those that don't agree. Booing offends him and people should stop. But he's unconcerned that his own beliefs might not coincide with those of his fellow supporters, or that they might be deemed offensive too.
I won't boo, but it's not my place to dictate to others how they should show support. Thommo has also stated that booing is like throwing turds. If it is then it's also like shooting the manager, isn't it? Where is the line drawn? Can't throw turds. Can't shoot people. Can't boo. Is yelling "you're Sh*t!" ok? Is moaning on a forum ok? What if I expressed my displeasure by farting loudly whilst others shout or swear?
It just seems that if we can't argue the point of the thread without being called a c*nt or a w*nker then this is just a thread to have a pop at people who have different thoughts and styles. It seems very flimsy and based on personal beliefs.

Here's an enlightening article:

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/12/s ... eered-kop/

I feel strongly about people who boo the team so I use strong language. Its interesting that you are offended by my words but not by the booing?  Im all for freedom of expression and letting people know how you feel, but there is a consequence, both direct and indirect for your actions. This is the point I am making. A paying customer has every right to express their frustration and anger, but how they do it represents them as a person, and in footballing terms, the rest of us as a club. I cannot dictate what people should do, nor would I want to? I dont have that power so thats a bit silly accusing me of that? Also I didnt say booing is like throwing turds, I said using the logic that booing is acceptable, throwing Sh*t could be the next step in letting your feelings be known when you pay your admission fee. To then talk about shooting people is ridiculous and pathetic. If youre going to discuss things in an adult manner then have the courtesy to quote me correctly and stick to the point Im making? I didnt call anyone a cu'nt I said they were making a cu'nt of themselves and the club by booing. Maybe I should have said "a fool" instead, or maybe people are too sensitive at the use of rude words, but this is the language I speak? This is my opinion and is based on the fact that Liverpool supporters are better than any others, or used to be at least. If booing is the accepted norm then we are no better than all the others and one of the key principles of this club is lost. Maybe I am living in the past and expecting too much of todays customers?
But I stand by my belief that any grown man who chooses to stand and make cringy, childish noises to express his dissatisfaction is indeed embarrassing and a w@nker.

Thommo's perm » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:10 am wrote:I feel strongly about people who boo the team so I use strong language. Its interesting that you are offended by my words but not by the booing?  Im all for freedom of expression and letting people know how you feel, but there is a consequence, both direct and indirect for your actions. This is the point I am making. A paying customer has every right to express their frustration and anger, but how they do it represents them as a person, and in footballing terms, the rest of us as a club. I cannot dictate what people should do, nor would I want to? I dont have that power so thats a bit silly accusing me of that? Also I didnt say booing is like throwing turds, I said using the logic that booing is acceptable, throwing Sh*t could be the next step in letting your feelings be known when you pay your admission fee. To then talk about shooting people is ridiculous and pathetic. If youre going to discuss things in an adult manner then have the courtesy to quote me correctly and stick to the point Im making? I didnt call anyone a cu'nt I said they were making a cu'nt of themselves and the club by booing. Maybe I should have said "a fool" instead, or maybe people are too sensitive at the use of rude words, but this is the language I speak? This is my opinion and is based on the fact that Liverpool supporters are better than any others, or used to be at least. If booing is the accepted norm then we are no better than all the others and one of the key principles of this club is lost. Maybe I am living in the past and expecting too much of todays customers?
But I stand by my belief that any grown man who chooses to stand and make cringy, childish noises to express his dissatisfaction is indeed embarrassing and a w@nker.

Language doesn't bother me, nor does booing. I'm trying to provide a counter to your point. What I'm saying is that you've drawn personal lines that you expect the rest to adhere to. I don't think it's ok to throw turds at people nor is it ok to shoot them. I'd say most people feel the same about that. Booing, however, is something we teach our kids to do at the panto. It's a widely accepted method of of voicing disapproval. You don't think it should be aimed at the club and many agree, but many disagree too. The difference is categorical isn't it? Don't throw poo. Don't spit at people. Don't shoot people. By your own philosophy you're saying if it's ok to boo then it's ok to throw sh*t which would then make wether spitting was acceptable worthy of debate. (It isn't)
So taking that into account, is it ok to yell at Rodgers that he's sh*t if I'm in the stands? What if I'm in the street? What if I don't yell it and don't swear and just said "Rodgers old boy, bit of a poor showing, that"? Is that ok? It's your thread mate. Where do you draw the line? Booing seems almost slapstick compared to some of the stuff we read, see and hear.

You have hit the nail on the head with your pantomime comparison. And as Yakka said, its become a type of theatrical experience where we boo the baddies and cheer the goodies. I am not saying that the booing is bad because of the effect it has on the person who is being booed, I mean its bad because of how it reflects on us as supporters, and how the club is perceived. It looks wrong and its seen as a very base and unintelligent way of expressing your frustration. The criticism of the manager is not the issue? The issue is that I dont like it when Reds look like w@nkers or Evertonians. But maybe Im wrong and people think that looking like a w@nker is acceptable because youve bought your ticket?

So you're saying we should shout and swear like adults rather than boo the panto villain? Or that it's wrong to express negativity? It seems the fans have sat quiet for years upon years and in recent times have seen massive decline in more ways than just stadium behaviour. I don't know who the boos were aimed at but I'd guess it was either owners or manager. It may seem childish but at least it's not riots or outright abuse (though granted there's some of that). It seems a bit odd to pick the booing out. I'm a lifelong Liverpool fan and in my eyes it's a far greater discomfort to see Brendan Rodgers sitting there, paid a fortune and leading our beloved club down the sh*tter. If a few boos would sort his ego out then I'd welcome them, but I suspect he ain't that arsed at the end of the day. No doubt in front of the media BR would claim they're boos of affection.