Sean O'Driscoll

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Postby Kash_Mountain » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:03 am

Interesting article, long, but worth a read......

Sean O'Driscoll's appointment as Liverpool manager has not met with universal approval from the fans, with his lack of experience in Europe and the top flight being used as a stick to beat him with. Personally I am not of the opinion that an assistant manager needs to have that experience, what he needs is to be good at coaching, most of all he needs to be a buffer between players and managers.

The assistant needs to be a man they can go to with their issues, someone they can trust and that they can talk to that will understand what they are talking about. Being a well respected manager in the past will help in that regard, as he can see issues from both sides, and know when the player just needs to be soothed and when it is a genuine issue.

Added to that, O'Driscoll is a man who genuinely gets on well with players, he is not someone who talks down to them, he does not boss them around using fear to get them to do what he wants. That is not the O'Driscoll way at all.


What you get with O'Driscoll is a man who will not try to preach or teach, he will try to enlighten them, so that they see it for themselves, rather than just hearing him tell them. He will set up the training sessions to allow them to learn to communicate better with each other, to see for themselves what to do, rather than being told what to do.

One of the most common tales you will hear from his former players is how he likes to work on communication between players, to bring them closer as a unit, by tweaking rules on small sided games but only telling one player from each team what the rules are. Those players then only have a few seconds to tell the rest of the team what the new rules are.

Players are constantly being pushed to be able to learn how to communicate important information quickly, so that when things need to be changed on the pitch, the players are able to make the changes quickly. The clear problem of complete lack of communication from Martin Skrtel to his team mates would be worked on, rather than just left to fester, like has happened in previous years.


At the end of last season there were a number of games when Liverpool's players were clearly bewildered by the tactical changes Brendan Rodgers was trying to make. Every time the ball went out of play there would be a number of players immediately looking to the sidelines for instructions and there faces would just cloud with confusion.

One thing O'Driscoll is known for is his ability to make it clear what he wants from his team, with his instructions not needing to be too in depth, as he teaches the players to show initiative and make decisions on the pitch. Not for him is the possession for possession's sake or just lumping it long every time a defender gets it, he likes players to do what is needed, sometimes that might mean putting it in row Z when you are a defender, rather than looking to play out from the back.

As he said himself: "The whole possession/passing thing is a bit of a misnomer. I've never coached passing, we aim to give players options on the ball, then coach decision-making. You can't be predictable. Sometimes passing it out from the back might be the right thing to do but why would you persist with doing that if your centre-halves or sitting midfield player then kept getting caught in possession in dangerous areas?"


"If players are comfortable in possession and don't lose the ball, like Xavi and Busquets, it's an easy option to give it to them. But sometimes your keeper or centre-half spotting a striker has peeled off his man into a dangerous position in the channel, and playing the ball up to him, is completely the right thing. If you keep getting joy that way and you play 15-20 'long' balls into that space, does that make you a long ball team or an intelligent one?"

It reminds me of the way Liverpool were torn apart last season by Louis van Gaal's usage of Fellaini pulling wide to put pressure on Emre Can and it completely unhinged Liverpool's defence. Liverpool ended up overloading down their right side to try and help Can out, only to leave acres of space down the left for the goals to come.

What impresses me about O'Driscoll is his insistence on teaching players to show initiative, rather than just be robots like so many British coaches seem to want their players to be. As a student of military history, I have often read how the German soldiers in WW2 were able to hold their own against much larger forces because they would use their initiative, while their opponents were having to wait for the orders to come through before they knew where and when to attack.

That initiative can be the difference, having players taught to look for weaknesses and how to exploit them for themselves gives them a major advantage. They can attack that weak spot until the opposing manager has time to organise tactical tweaks, they do not need to wait for their own manager to spot them first and pass over instructions.

It was what brought Arsene Wenger such success in his early days in English football, he was not sending them out to play rigid formations until he gave them instructions on what to change. He was sending out a team with basic instructions that would adapt to the changing demands as the game went on.

"It sounds so simple but from the youngest ages players in this country have never been challenged to think and make decisions like that themselves, they've always waited for a coach to tell them what to do.


"What we try to say is 'Here are your options, what do you think is the right thing to do and why?' If they pick the right option and it doesn't come off we will still applaud the decision making, but if they continually pick the wrong option then you've got a problem. I want to develop players and a team who understand what is being asked of them, and therefore can make their own decisions on the field of play, players who are prepared to take responsibility for the decisions they make.

"As I said before, we will never have a go at a player for trying something and it not coming off if it was the right thing to do at that time. If it was stupid, irresponsible and careless they won't be afforded the same grace!" These are not the quotes of a man spouting meaningless rhetoric in an attempt to sound clever, this is a man with a clear idea of what he wants, from his players as individuals and as a team.

As an assistant manager, I doubt Liverpool could have made a better choice from within the English game, one of the best coaches in recent years, and his ideas are a good fit with the ones Pepjin Linders works with. They do not overlap, Linders is more of a skill coach, who will make the players more skilful, more adept at control, more able to work the ball around the pitch.

What O'Driscoll will do is make the players better at using their skills, knowing which pass to make when or if it is time to run at the defence. He will improve those aspects of the game that can be the difference between a good player and a great player. O'Driscoll will produce a team from the skilled individuals he has available to him.

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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:31 pm

Three words : cheap /dispensable /unthreatening ,and regardless of the media spin and gushing praise from the Echo's resident arse licker's the truth behind his
appointment is obvious ,he avoids any (see all his interviews ) eye contact ,offers no threat to the current managers mindset, and will not challenge his decisions.

Perfect choice for the current incumbent ,but most certainly not the ideal choice for this football club or its fans....We needed a man comfortable with dealing with
the flouncing prima donna's that are paid superstars wages ,and by that I mean one experienced in the nitty gritty of the top flight ,we also needed someone who would
challenge the current managers decisions and Ideally one who was conversant with the art of defence and capable of eradicating the chance of the many errors we made
last season occurring again.
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:43 pm

The club needed an assistant manager that the manager could work together with in a team - someone who could coach the tactics and philosophy that the manager wants the team to play.

It's a team and none us know exactly what ODriscoll is like and how can anyone state what he will or won't do based on interviews ?

How about let his coaching do the talking when he starts the job.

How about we allow our manager his own choice of who he wants to work with.

I have no doubt that the manager will be employing the people he thinks will help the team improve.

How about we give the guy a chance before dismissing his abilities.
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Postby RedAnt » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:07 pm

I've heard of this guy! Didn't he manage Bournpark City or something?
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:12 pm

Doubtless ,trusting ,subservient ,and susceptible to media spin ......Evidently if the manager could choose his fans the foibles listed would be a prerequisite before
taking your seat at Anfield . I'm happy to report  he cant ,and when he eventually returns from holiday he will have questions to answer ,although lucky for him the
questions the fans need answers for will remain unanswered ,as the media all display the same shortcomings as his resident apologists ,doubtless ,trusting ,subservient
and 'highly' susceptible to media spin.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:44 pm

Thanks for posting that article Kash
I think O Driscoll will be a decent addition, he seems to talk a lot of sense.
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Postby andy c legs » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:45 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:44 pm wrote:Thanks for posting that article Kash
I think O Driscoll will be a decent addition, he seems to talk a lot of sense.


It was enlightening to me as well. Lets hope that he helps our players be pro-active on the pitch and think for themselves. Reading that article it appears there may just be a chance of that occuring..

(I'd still like to see Sami come back though and Carra in the not too distant future).
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Postby algymoon » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:47 pm

It is a bleak appointment for a bleak club which it is very much descending towards darks days, the idiot BR thinks by putting the blame of his disasters season on his coaching staffs in order to safeguards his own interest, however the owners should take the full blame by keeping the idiot BR in charge for another season which it is full of pot holes.

I cannot see the team will get much points from the first 8 games, the  disaster will commence with horror show at Stoke City part 2 increasing the score margin.. Another heavy defeat, i.e. good hammering.  This will follow at the early games against Arsenal, Man United, Everton, and I think Man. City is in early fixture.

I don’t expect this idiot BR would be still in charged that long after series of very much expected defeats, despite all the new signing LFC had made.. The management is weak and of a second grade standard. LFC destiny is going backwards and possibly down, Leeds United scenario it ispossibily n the card.
Let us be honest what the present LFC possess to make  it worthy of forth spot place?

NOTHING, Bad and an idiot manager, bad coaching staffs, Bad goal keeper, shaky defence, No leader or fighter(s), Can’t score many goals, Too Many average Players with high wages, They had a group dance after humiliating defeat!!!  = we have formula of DISASTER
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Postby Buck Rodgers » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:12 pm

algymoon » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:47 pm wrote:It is a bleak appointment for a bleak club which it is very much descending towards darks days, the idiot BR thinks by putting the blame of his disasters season on his coaching staffs in order to safeguards his own interest, however the owners should take the full blame by keeping the idiot BR in charge for another season which it is full of pot holes.

I cannot see the team will get much points from the first 8 games, the  disaster will commence with horror show at Stoke City part 2 increasing the score margin.. Another heavy defeat, i.e. good hammering.  This will follow at the early games against Arsenal, Man United, Everton, and I think Man. City is in early fixture.

I don’t expect this idiot BR would be still in charged that long after series of very much expected defeats, despite all the new signing LFC had made.. The management is weak and of a second grade standard. LFC destiny is going backwards and possibly down, Leeds United scenario it ispossibily n the card.
Let us be honest what the present LFC possess to make  it worthy of forth spot place?

NOTHING, Bad and an idiot manager, bad coaching staffs, Bad goal keeper, shaky defence, No leader or fighter(s), Can’t score many goals, Too Many average Players with high wages, They had a group dance after humiliating defeat!!!  = we have formula of DISASTER


So all good news then

As for the Leeds comparison - absolutely hilarious , that was the highlight of the post.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:11 pm

I've no doubt Liverpool feel O'Driscoll is a competent addition to the back room team ,however with Nero still in place prepared to impart his skill with a fiddle ,the fans
were looking for a more positive bleaching ,so when the owners have deemed vinegar and water as a suitable disinfection it kind of rankles with those who believed the
two additions would be opted for their single mindedness and propensity to challenge a managers tired philosophy.

I think the word I'm searching for is' underwhelmed' ,I'm sure O'Driscoll is a decent man manager ,and in truth if the decision was the current managers then its no surprise
he has chosen one who mirrors his own mindset ,but its not the kind of appointment to appease the fans who view allowing the manager to select his own choices as tantamount to hiring a fanboy to pen your biography.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:52 pm

Time will tell, RBG, whether the man deserves your scathing lack of endorsement (despite not a ball being kicked in anger yet)
Lets hope he hits the ground running and can at least thaw a small part of your cold, cold heart...
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:36 pm

Thommo's perm » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:52 pm wrote:Time will tell, RBG, whether the man deserves your scathing lack of endorsement (despite not a ball being kicked in anger yet)
Lets hope he hits the ground running and can at least thaw a small part of your cold, cold heart...
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Hardly scathing ,in fact, I'd say in light of his vast achievements in management which led to the club sanctioning his appointment I would say I have shown a degree
of patience in quelling the malcontent I feel at the recent developments as regards new personnel ....Every fan is entitled to their respective opinions Thommo ,and
believe it or not they're not as polarised as the media colour them ,some fans actually view these appointments as feeble and rather less than auspicious.
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Postby Reg » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:42 am

I still struggle with this appointment, I don't want Liverpool to be trained to England U19 standard, top 4 and EPL is tactically a completely different game.
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Postby woof woof ! » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:39 am

But Reg don't you see ? Recruiting a coach who used to working with U19's is a perfect fit with our transfer policy !    :D

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Postby Buck Rodgers » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:18 am

It won't be O Driscoll that will be setting up the tactics - that's the managers role. O Driscoll will be coaching the methods set out by the manager.

The appointment will be who the manager wants to work with within his philosophy- lots of sounds bites on how good he is as a man manager and also his coaching tactics seem to be exactly what we should be doing.
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