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Hopefully Citech offering Milner a crazy 4 year, 160k a week contract will cure us of that particular problem. Now we need United to buy Ings.

Big Niall » Sun May 24, 2015 11:54 pm wrote:* I acknowledge the greatest manager in British football history (Paisley) had no experience , but you can't expect anyone to be a Paisley.

Those are some 30~40 years ago...back then the game are not flooded with money, and Division One you only have British players and managers. The game have moved to a different planet since those days so being behind for just a few years could do untold damage. There's a power play in Premiership where the Top 4 dogs will pull away from the rest and the chasm will grow larger every year...so guys who ask for one more season for Rodgers have no grasp with reality. We have seen enough of Rodgers limitation to know that we cannot trust the future of the club on his hands. One more bad season and Arsenal will all away and it will be harder to close the gap.

The games are not the same as those in the good old days where it's ok to missed out from the top end of the table and not being successful for a few years is not such a big deal. Big monies and maximising commercial potential are big deal today. Wake up and smell the coffee, bitch!

The frustration from the fans is obvious to see. The fact that we've played 30+ games this season without a striker is criminal. He knew that after the first 3 months of the season we DESPERATELY needed a striker, but he chose not to purchase one in January,  Why??

I honestly believe he wasn't given the funds to buy one simply because he wasted all the money in the summer window on garbage.

He has become a liability.

I think its time for him to go.  It will be a long summer after that 6 - 1 thumping if he stays.   
This thread is a bit disgraceful though if I'm being honest.  The man nearly won us a title 12 months ago and doesn't deserve the treatment he is getting. 

Fair enough, it hasn't worked out this season but there is no need to call him a fraud and drag his personal affairs into it.

I also don't think that any manager including Rafa or Klopp will walk in and fix things quickly. 

Worrying times ahead for the club.

The perfect sh*tty end to the perfect sh*tty season. If yesterday's team selection and tactics aren't enough to convince Yakka then nothing will. Somebody has weaved an illusion around our great club that even a 6-1 hammering to Stoke can't dispel. There's been many a time this year when BR could have gone back to basics. Play a 4-4-2 (if we can find the strikers). Play wingers as wingers. Midfielders? Play them in midfield. It's not rocket science. But he's had to fanny on all season. Remember the kid at school who always had to score with an over head kick even when a simple side foot will suffice? That's Brendan. Watch the Waterboy with Adam Sandler. Imagine the coach played by the Fonz is actually played by BR and I guarantee you'll have a laugh.

2 wins in 9 matches and our biggest league defeat in over 50 years says it all

he has to go

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » May 24th, '15, 22:15 wrote:

Dundreamin is back » Sun May 24, 2015 8:52 pm wrote:I can't believe people are still backing him.You know who you are. I would be careful what you say, if you told a Psychiatrist that you would be sectioned

In Fergusons first full season in charge at United he finished 2nd, the following year he finished 11th, the year after that they finished 13th, guess what, he had humiliating capitulations as well including a 5-1 demolition by City in the Manchester Derby (this was when City were shyte).
Even the best managers go through tough times, infact do you know who the last Liverpool manager to ship 6 goals was?
Bill Shankly.
Fans are too quick these days to call for people to be sacked, there are ups and downs in football, they are part of the game.

Nope, very few similarities. Way back then Whiskey nose took over a club with essentially one issue that was holding them back, that was a drinking culture. LFC does not have that problem.

Whiskey nose Ferguson was a winner, even with Aberdeen. LFC has a manager with no track record of success, at all.

Comparing the the two, in fact comparing BR with any top quality manager is crazy! You just can't do it, because there is nothing to compare.  Top quality is just that, top quality, BR is not that by any stretch. If you want to  compare anything at all, then it is the number of years BR has had at LFC without success. That is it.

Also, one can't keep looking or clinging to the past, it's the here and now, the game was way different back then. Whatever happened in the 80's etc stays there, and is a **** reason as to why BR should be given another chance!  Every other football club I can think of has moved way forward and doing things differently, and not really doing things based on the past. That's  the reason why the likes of Chelski are head and shoulders above LFC. It's not just about money, there is more to it? BR is not the person for LFC, he has to go.

The depth of BR's inadequacy is unbelievable, when was the last time LFC played with no strikers and 7 or so midfielders? I don't even think that in Houlliers or Rafa's worst games, they never did anything as stupid as this.

Worth a read.

This season, to the delight of Manchester United and Everton fans, has been an absolute disaster for Liverpool FC. A season that started out with the promise of so much has ended in utter and complete meltdown.

Though, to be fair, Man Utd and Everton have both had seasons below their expectations early on, their seasons have at least improved, while Liverpool have gone from probably title challengers to only just qualifying for European competition for next season.

This summer is vital now for Liverpool's owners, FSG. If they make the wrong decisions now they will jeopardise the whole future of the club that they have pumped such huge sums into.

With a stadium expansion underway, the club desperately needs to have learnt some important lessons from their time in charge, especially in terms of picking the manager to run the club.

They took over a club with Roy Hodgson in charge, a man whose mindset was all wrong for the club, who only wanted to avoid defeat, not win. He never understood Liverpool or the fans at all, the idea that a draw against your local rivals, who have a much smaller budget, would have been a good result sums him up.

They dithered over dismissing him, and that meant they were backed into a corner when it came to replace him, meaning they were left with little option but to go with the fans' choice of Kenny Dalglish. Unfortunately Kenny had been out of the game too long, far too much had changed for him to be able to adapt quickly enough.

Dalglish was unable to cope with the modern media world football exists in, his ill judged attempts to support Luis Suarez eventually leading to his dismissal. This time though, Fenway Sports Group were going to follow their own plan for appointing a new set up and go for a promising young coach under a director of football.

Sadly they lacked decisiveness and ended up settling for a promising young coach as a manager without a director of football. Another lesson to be learnt the hard way, never settle for half measures. Be decisive and go out and get what you want, not be dictated to by someone who has no proven track record of success.

Brendan Rodgers clearly won them over, despite the portliness, despite teeth that were yet to dazzle, despite lacking a tan. Instead he had a plan, a dossier to show them and lots of business jargon. So they dropped the director of football plan, as the dossier showed Brendan could do it all.

Rodgers managed to provide yet another lesson in not settling for half measures, when his transfer nous was shown to be non-existent and FSG saw fit to appoint a transfer committee to help him out (which he is very much part of and still has final say). Again a lack of decisiveness being exhibited by a company that is seemingly run by committee.

It is time to take responsibility and appoint people who are willing to accept that responsibility in turn. Right now there is a manager in charge who takes all the credit but shifts all the blame. Bad performances are blamed on the players, and by extension the transfer committee, but good performances are the result of his coaching.

FSG need to pick one man to take responsibility for the club, one man who makes immediate decisions when needed, rather than spends months doing a review to make the same decision. Is Michael Gordon that man?

The months of inaction as Liverpool have lurched from title challengers with Champions League football and domestic cups in reach, to top 4 challengers with Europa League football and domestic cups in reach, to end up as 6th, just about qualifying for another shot at the Europa League and no domestic cups in the cabinet suggests he is not.

The players have let Brendan Rodgers down, there is no doubt about that, but he was the one who lost their support. He was the one who mismanaged players until they no longer wanted to be there, he is the one who plays them completely out of position, even when there are numerous specialists in that position sat on the sidelines completely alienated by him.

It is Rodgers' fault that Liverpool have been so utterly rubbish all season, but it is FSG's fault that they have not accepted responsibility by acting. This time they must get the right man in, or it is time to question whether they have what it takes to run a football club.

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Kash_Mountain » Mon May 25, 2015 8:35 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » May 24th, '15, 22:15 wrote:

Dundreamin is back » Sun May 24, 2015 8:52 pm wrote:I can't believe people are still backing him.You know who you are. I would be careful what you say, if you told a Psychiatrist that you would be sectioned

In Fergusons first full season in charge at United he finished 2nd, the following year he finished 11th, the year after that they finished 13th, guess what, he had humiliating capitulations as well including a 5-1 demolition by City in the Manchester Derby (this was when City were shyte).
Even the best managers go through tough times, infact do you know who the last Liverpool manager to ship 6 goals was?
Bill Shankly.
Fans are too quick these days to call for people to be sacked, there are ups and downs in football, they are part of the game.

Nope, very few similarities. Way back then Whiskey nose took over a club with essentially one issue that was holding them back, that was a drinking culture. LFC does not have that problem.

Whiskey nose Ferguson was a winner, even with Aberdeen. LFC has a manager with no track record of success, at all.

Comparing the the two, in fact comparing BR with any top quality manager is crazy! You just can't do it, because there is nothing to compare.  Top quality is just that, top quality, BR is not that by any stretch. If you want to  compare anything at all, then it is the number of years BR has had at LFC without success. That is it.

Also, one can't keep looking or clinging to the past, it's the here and now, the game was way different back then. Whatever happened in the 80's etc stays there, and is a **** reason as to why BR should be given another chance!  Every other football club I can think of has moved way forward and doing things differently, and not really doing things based on the past. That's  the reason why the likes of Chelski are head and shoulders above LFC. It's not just about money, there is more to it? BR is not the person for LFC, he has to go.

The depth of BR's inadequacy is unbelievable, when was the last time LFC played with no strikers and 7 or so midfielders? I don't even think that in Houlliers or Rafa's worst games, they never did anything as stupid as this.

Totally agree.  We operate in a completely different landscape now and need to change. Too many of our fans live in the past,  and frankly it is hurting us now.  Said for a long time,  we are in our own little bubble going on about our past achievements and tradition while the current top teams win things and then move onto winning more things.

Yes our history is great,  but its in the past.  I work with a fellow red who is adamant we are a bigger club than Barca due to our past. It's that kind of mentality we need to shake off.  It's about right now,  not 30-40 years ago and I am really sick to the teeth of people going on about the past while we just meander down the road to nowhere.

All week he has been going on about how he was 150% sure he was going to be here next season and his end of season meeting was just a formality. That performance yesterday showed how much those players are really behind him. In 3 years he has brought no less than 5 strikers in and we played this season mostly without one    Even the makeshift one who he left out as his head wasn't right was probably delighted with himself sat there watching us get demolished.

Take your pay off brendan and then put your name down for the newcastle or westham job 

As I said for 18 months he had us playing not just good football but some of the best stuff I have ever seen out of any Liverpool side ever. Sixth isn't great but it's not sackable imo, I didn't think Dalglish should go after finishing eigth so it's a bit rich for me to start calling for someone to go after finishing sixth.
This time last year we missed out on the title by a whisker, imo he hasn't done enough wrong to warrant sacking him just 12 months after going closer to the title than any Liverpool manager in the last quarter of a century.
Does that mean I'm happy with this season or happy with sixth? Of course it doesn't but as I said finishing sixth and getting to 2 semi finals doesn't warrant the sack.
Others may feel differently, that's up to them.

red till i die!! » Mon May 25, 2015 5:34 pm wrote:All week he has been going on about how he was 150% sure he was going to be here next season and his end of season meeting was just a formality. That performance yesterday showed how much those players are really behind him. In 3 years he has brought no less than 5 strikers in and we played this season mostly without one    Even the makeshift one who he left out as his head wasn't right was probably delighted with himself sat there watching us get demolished.

Take your pay off brendan and then put your name down for the newcastle or westham job 

Lets not forget that Rafa's initial purchases were horrible as well... thats football for you.

During Rafael Benitez' six-year tenure as manager of Liverpool, he oversaw the purchase of 59 players and the depature of 72. Approximately £230,000,000 was spent on players under the leadership of Benitez at an average of approximately £3,900,000 per player, whilst approximately £162,000,000 was recouped from players sales. This equates to a net spend of approximately £68,000,000 on transfers, at an average of £11,300,000 per year.
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Player From Fee Date
Josemi Malaga £2,000,000 26 July 2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000 17 August 2004
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20 August 2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20 August 2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 5 January 2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13 January 2005
Scott Carson Leeds £1,000,000 21 January 2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free 4 July 2005
Pepe Reina Villarreal £6,000,000 4 July 2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 4 July 2005
Momo Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14 July 2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20 July 2005
Miki Roque Lleidav Unknown 15 August 2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln £150,000 18 August 2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000 22 August 2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000 20 October 2005
Paul Anderson Hull Swap 1 January 2006
Jan Kromkamp Villarreal Swap 4 January 2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000 12 January 2006
Daniel Agger Brondby £5,800,000 12 January 2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27 January 2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 1 July 2006
Gabriel Paletta Banfield £2,000,000 4 July 2006
Fabio Aurelio Valencia Free 5 July 2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26 July 2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18 August 2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21 August 2006
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000 11 January 2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Loan 12 January 2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed 24 January 2007
Francisco Manuel Duran Malaga £66,000 30 January 2007
Alvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31 January 2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham Loan 20 February 2007
Lucas Gremio £5,000,000 11 May 2007
Krisztian Nemeth MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25 May 2007
Mikel San Jose Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28 June 2007
Sebastian Leto Lanús £1,800,000 1 July 2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 4 July 2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free 6 July 2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12 July 2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13 July 2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 9 August 2007
Emiliano Insua Boca Juniors £1,300,000 26 August 2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000 8 November 2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11 January 2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000 29 February 2008
Philipp Degen Borussia Dortmund Free 3 July 2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 4 July 2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11 July 2008
David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24 July 2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28 July 2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31 August 2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26 June 2009
Alberto Aquilani Roma £17,100,000 7 August 2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21 August 2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17 September 2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12 January 2010
Raheem Sterling Queens Park Rangers £600,000 27 February 2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000 10 May 2010
Milan Jovanovic Standard Liege Free 8 July 2010
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Bobo Zenden anyone ??      

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 9:50 am wrote:As I said for 18 months he had us playing not just good football but some of the best stuff I have ever seen out of any Liverpool side ever. Sixth isn't great but it's not sackable imo, I didn't think Dalglish should go after finishing eigth so it's a bit rich for me to start calling for someone to go after finishing sixth.
This time last year we missed out on the title by a whisker, imo he hasn't done enough wrong to warrant sacking him just 12 months after going closer to the title than any Liverpool manager in the last quarter of a century.
Does that mean I'm happy with this season or happy with sixth? Of course it doesn't but as I said finishing sixth and getting to 2 semi finals doesn't warrant the sack.
Others may feel differently, that's up to them.

Yakka everyone is entitled to their own opinion but ffs at least address the points raised ,no one said he should be sacked due to us finishing 6th ,it's you talking to yourself.
He should be fired for an epic fck up in team building and preparation this year, For a criminal waste of funds with no return on investment, For lack of preparation (tactics/Mental) for every crucial game we had this season ,for sticking to failing tactics and failing players in wrong positions ,for humiliating the fan base and Liverpool name.

And you know what ,we missed on a title last year because he was unable to bring ONE quality player in the January transfer windows ,another glorious fck up. He has no sense as to the cards at his disposal and what needs to be done to achieve success.

Who gives a fck over 6th place?

only me » Mon May 25, 2015 10:23 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 9:50 am wrote:As I said for 18 months he had us playing not just good football but some of the best stuff I have ever seen out of any Liverpool side ever. Sixth isn't great but it's not sackable imo, I didn't think Dalglish should go after finishing eigth so it's a bit rich for me to start calling for someone to go after finishing sixth.
This time last year we missed out on the title by a whisker, imo he hasn't done enough wrong to warrant sacking him just 12 months after going closer to the title than any Liverpool manager in the last quarter of a century.
Does that mean I'm happy with this season or happy with sixth? Of course it doesn't but as I said finishing sixth and getting to 2 semi finals doesn't warrant the sack.
Others may feel differently, that's up to them.

Yakka everyone is entitled to their own opinion but ffs at least address the points raised ,no one said he should be sacked due to us finishing 6th ,it's you talking to yourself.
He should be fired for an epic fck up in team building and preparation this year, For a criminal waste of funds with no return on investment, For lack of preparation (tactics/Mental) for every crucial game we had this season ,for sticking to failing tactics and failing players in wrong positions ,for humiliating the fan base and Liverpool name.

And you know what ,we missed on a title last year because he was unable to bring ONE quality player in the January transfer windows ,another glorious fck up. He has no sense as to the cards at his disposal and what needs to be done to achieve success.

Who gives a fck over 6th place?

Of course where you finish is important, in fact it's the most important thing, everything else is a means to an end.
But I'll address some of your points anyway, let's start with player recruitment.
We know for a fact that when FSG first arrived here they talked about revolutionising how transfers were done in this country and talked about how they couldn't believe how football clubs spent tens of millions on players based on nothing more than one man's opinion (i.e the manager).
After we signed Hendo Comoli was actually in the papers bragging that he was a classic moneyball signing so we know for a fact that the owners don't take a backseat in terms of player recruitment, don't get me wrong I'm not saying they pick the players but they certainly set guidelines.
We also know that Rodgers has made plenty of comments against this philosophy, i.e at the end of last season he said he only wanted 1 or 2 quality players, not a raft of squad players and he also made comments about signing too manny young players.
There's certainly enough circumstantial evidence out there to suggest that the manager hasn't got full control over our transfer dealings and doesn't always agree with some of the decisions made, am I saying he hasn't got an input? Of course not but having an input is not the same as having full control.
Look at the Balotelli situation, it was obvious Brendan didn't want him but the club sensed a bargain and brought him in anyway, the problem with that though is straight away you have dressing room problems, the player knows the manager didn't want him so straight away there's tension.
I'm not saying Rodgers hasn't made mistakes, the way he kept on playing Gerrard as a DM was infuriating but I believe he's had a lot on his plate this season in terms of dressing room squabbles and leaks to the press (Gerrard and Lovren squaring up to each other etc) and I think he has shown enough when things have been going well that he deserves more time.
Considering what he had to deal with - 9 players being brought in, Sturridge out the entire season, dressing room squabbles, Gerrards contract situation and subsequent decision to leave, the new signings not hitting the ground running, Sterling giving unsanctioned interviews to the BBC and wanting to leave, the Balotelli situation, press leaks regarding the role of the transfer committee, mingolets dramatic loss of form etc I think he's done about par.
And imo par isn't enough to lose your job.

only me » Mon May 25, 2015 10:23 am wrote:Who gives a fck over 6th place?

What about the unbeaten run in mid-season?
What about nearly taking us to the title last year?
What about the semi-finals?
What about the unfortunate injuries to Daniel Sturridge?
What about some of the exciting football we played last season?
What about the lost of Luis Suarez?
What about our transfer policy with Br's hands tied?
What about the money bags United, City and Chelsea having more resources than us?

Some celebrate it like it's an achievement, but frankly I couldn't be bothered to regurgitate all these garbage excuses. We have added NOTHING to our trophy room and we are out of CL again next season...FACT!

We shipped 9 goals in our past 2 games against heavyweights such as Palace and Stoke
We got bonked by Villa when all the buzz was to give Stevie a fitting Finale at Wembley
We went to Europe and came back with tail between our legs
We can't even beat FC Basel at home in the all important win or go home game to stay in Europe
Big Sam, Tony Pullis, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce, Tim Sherwood all managed to outwit us tactically
We DO NOT have a manager with any winning experience or habits and it shows
It's clear that we couldn't keep hold of our best player(s)
We no longer have any cloud in attracting some of the better players, who might not be interested to play for a no-name manager who have won fuck all
We shipped 98 goals in the league alone for the past 2 seasons so obviously we can't defend for shit

So...it really is all a matter of perspective and ambition. No right nor wrong opinions here but you cannot deny the majority's sentiment here. I personally wants to see the doors shut on Brendan and I have no faith with this man anymore...not bothered to argue with guys who don't agree with me. They can keep grasping straws and console themselves that's it's not too bad to warrant a sack, it's not the LFC way etc. I might not agree but I respect their opinion.