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Jesus Christ there are some drama queens on this forum, do you seriously think having a couple draws on a Shisa pipe is going to effect Sterling or Ibes performance? its common in night clubs to get a Shisha pipe on a table to share amongst a group, its highly unlikely that there reguarly smoking. Also there are loads of pro footballers that smoke, the best on the planet Lionel Messi has been pictured smoking and it dosnt seem to effect him too much does it!

Not fussed about these minor distractions and that's what they are, a club and agent greasing the wheels of his departure by
attempting to turn the fans against him.

Fowler_E7 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:56 am wrote:Jesus Christ there are some drama queens on this forum, do you seriously think having a couple draws on a Shisa pipe is going to effect Sterling or Ibes performance? its common in night clubs to get a Shisha pipe on a table to share amongst a group, its highly unlikely that there reguarly smoking. Also there are loads of pro footballers that smoke, the best on the planet Lionel Messi has been pictured smoking and it dosnt seem to effect him too much does it!

In the paper they are saying these Shisha things are the equivilent of 200 ciggies, that cannot be good for someone who earns their living as an athlete, as I said its a question of professionalism, you may as well say what's wrong with them going to Burger King or McDonalds or going down the Red Lion to get Don Revvied.
Don't forget this is the same lad that went on national television and questioned the ambition of this club, said he was flattered to be linked with Arsenal and said it would be a dream to play for someone like Real or Barca.
I actually agree with only me on this as well, everyone knows I'm a big fan of Rodgers but this doesn't reflect well on him at all, in fact it doesn't reflect well on the club or our development system either.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:06 pm wrote:

Fowler_E7 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:56 am wrote:Jesus Christ there are some drama queens on this forum, do you seriously think having a couple draws on a Shisa pipe is going to effect Sterling or Ibes performance? its common in night clubs to get a Shisha pipe on a table to share amongst a group, its highly unlikely that there reguarly smoking. Also there are loads of pro footballers that smoke, the best on the planet Lionel Messi has been pictured smoking and it dosnt seem to effect him too much does it!

In the paper they are saying these Shisha things are the equivilent of 200 ciggies, that cannot be good for someone who earns their living as an athlete, as I said its a question of professionalism, you may as well say what's wrong with them going to Burger King or McDonalds or going down the Red Lion to get Don Revvied.
Don't forget this is the same lad that went on national television and questioned the ambition of this club, said he was flattered to be linked with Arsenal and said it would be a dream to play for someone like Real or Barca.
I actually agree with only me on this as well, everyone knows I'm a big fan of Rodgers but this doesn't reflect well on him at all, in fact it doesn't reflect well on the club or our development system either.

If you go out in London or any other major city on a Tuesday or Sunday night you will see plenty of premiership players drunk as a skunk, smoking and eating junk, barely any of them are angels. Pro athletes or not everyone likes to let there hair down once in a while, if they let bad social habits become to frequent then it will eventually be their detriment on the pitch, but if done in moderation any player can have a good career without living like a monk, especially at Sterling and Ibe's age.

Fowler_E7 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:56 pm wrote:Jesus Christ there are some drama queens on this forum, do you seriously think having a couple draws on a Shisa pipe is going to effect Sterling or Ibes performance? its common in night clubs to get a Shisha pipe on a table to share amongst a group, its highly unlikely that there reguarly smoking. Also there are loads of pro footballers that smoke, the best on the planet Lionel Messi has been pictured smoking and it dosnt seem to effect him too much does it!

Whilst it is easy to agree with you, you miss the point. He's not Joe Average working in the fruit market on Edge Lane,  he is Liverpool FC and he's trying to secure a 100 thou a week contract. The club, the sponsors and public have higher expectations than that the average man in the street.

Many years ago, Jimmy Case and Ray Kennedy got in trouble in a North Wales hotel when the manager closed the bar at the end of the night. The story ran in the Echo and public opinion was right against the players. If you have the respect of the city then you have the responsibility to act the part.

All credit to the manager, brave man closing the bar in the face of those two. 

Tbh I'd never even knew people were actually getting cylinders of the stuff and having a blast in your living room. At the end of the day it is an anesthetic and should not be available like that for recreational use.

Whether it has effects from prolonged use or not, I don't know but if he has being using it regular then it would explain some of his stupid moments when he switches off and loses that half a yard. The fact that Ibe was also at it and I'd read that Balotelli had also being smoking one in a car with mates, leads me to believe its rife within the club and probably the whole league. Only difference is that our players are the stupid ones getting pictured doing it.

None of this is by accident, and if it seems too stupid to be true then it probably is.

Sterling's Agent, along with Liverpool FC, have likely already agreed his departure with another club, and in the meantime are able
to set the stage and convince the fans that his departure is for the best with this type of manufactured scene.

This kind of club propaganda is especially important at Liverpool where fans cannot accept we sell our best players, so its vital they
soften the fans hard-core approach to anyone in a red shirt and ultimately the player takes the heat, not FSG.

Our owners are very smart and politically minded, make no mistake.

parchpea » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:39 pm wrote:None of this is by accident, and if it seems too stupid to be true then it probably is.

Sterling's Agent, along with Liverpool FC, have likely already agreed his departure with another club, and in the meantime are able
to set the stage and convince the fans that his departure is for the best with this type of manufactured scene.

This kind of club propaganda is especially important at Liverpool where fans cannot accept we sell our best players, so its vital they
soften the fans hard-core approach to anyone in a red shirt and ultimately the player takes the heat, not FSG.

Our owners are very smart and politically minded, make no mistake.

Spot on mate. Thank God there are some people that can see through the BS.

Last season it was very easy to sell Suarez on the continual rubbish that was written in the English media and the way that the lemmings had been conditioned to paint him in the same light as a serial killer.

Many of these lemmings, calling themselves "Liverpool fans" were delighted that we had sold the 3rd best player on the planet for peanuts!

Now it's Sterling's turn. He is a money grubber, he beats women, he doesn't truly play for the club, he smokes the Shisha........    

Manufactured outrage, with a quiet obvious agenda.

Can't wait to see what is install for us when Sturridge and Coutinho are eventually sold.

But hey, this club is heading in the right direction.     

A conspiracy theory!    

'Round up the usual suspects'.

eds » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:37 pm wrote:

parchpea » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:39 pm wrote:None of this is by accident, and if it seems too stupid to be true then it probably is.

Sterling's Agent, along with Liverpool FC, have likely already agreed his departure with another club, and in the meantime are able
to set the stage and convince the fans that his departure is for the best with this type of manufactured scene.

This kind of club propaganda is especially important at Liverpool where fans cannot accept we sell our best players, so its vital they
soften the fans hard-core approach to anyone in a red shirt and ultimately the player takes the heat, not FSG.

Our owners are very smart and politically minded, make no mistake.

Spot on mate. Thank God there are some people that can see through the BS.

Last season it was very easy to sell Suarez on the continual rubbish that was written in the English media and the way that the lemmings had been conditioned to paint him in the same light as a serial killer.

Many of these lemmings, calling themselves "Liverpool fans" were delighted that we had sold the 3rd best player on the planet for peanuts!

Now it's Sterling's turn. He is a money grubber, he beats women, he doesn't truly play for the club, he smokes the Shisha........   :no 

Manufactured outrage, with a quiet obvious agenda.

Can't wait to see what is install for us when Sturridge and Coutinho are eventually sold.

But hey, this club is heading in the right direction.     

Surely he didn't have to go to these lengths to convince the fans to dislike him? HE'S ALREADY DONE ENOUGH WITHOUT ADDING TO IT !! 

Suarez sold for a pittance? Close to a record sale price! £75m and not one other club showed the remotest bit of interest. Hardly a pittance and just how would you have stopped a player with Suarez's ambition going to RM or Barca? Tell me because I would like to know. The statement is about as daft as Parchea's conspiracy theory !!

devaney » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:10 am wrote:

eds » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:37 pm wrote:

parchpea » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:39 pm wrote:None of this is by accident, and if it seems too stupid to be true then it probably is.

Sterling's Agent, along with Liverpool FC, have likely already agreed his departure with another club, and in the meantime are able
to set the stage and convince the fans that his departure is for the best with this type of manufactured scene.

This kind of club propaganda is especially important at Liverpool where fans cannot accept we sell our best players, so its vital they
soften the fans hard-core approach to anyone in a red shirt and ultimately the player takes the heat, not FSG.

Our owners are very smart and politically minded, make no mistake.

Spot on mate. Thank God there are some people that can see through the BS.

Last season it was very easy to sell Suarez on the continual rubbish that was written in the English media and the way that the lemmings had been conditioned to paint him in the same light as a serial killer.

Many of these lemmings, calling themselves "Liverpool fans" were delighted that we had sold the 3rd best player on the planet for peanuts!

Now it's Sterling's turn. He is a money grubber, he beats women, he doesn't truly play for the club, he smokes the Shisha........   :no 

Manufactured outrage, with a quiet obvious agenda.

Can't wait to see what is install for us when Sturridge and Coutinho are eventually sold.

But hey, this club is heading in the right direction.     

Surely he didn't have to go to these lengths to convince the fans to dislike him? HE'S ALREADY DONE ENOUGH WITHOUT ADDING TO IT !! 

Suarez sold for a pittance? Close to a record sale price! £75m and not one other club showed the remotest bit of interest. Hardly a pittance and just how would you have stopped a player with Suarez's ambition going to RM or Barca? Tell me because I would like to know. The statement is about as daft as Parchea's conspiracy theory !!

What do you mean he has done enough for us to dislike him? For smoking a shisha? For being a cheeky little git and wanting more money? Please. It's like he suddenly became a pe.do over night and joined Suarez on the world's most wanted list. We are all forgetting he is an uneducated 20yo with the wrong advisors and somehow we are expecting him to act in a certain way 

Sterling ain't no saint but the way the media have carried on over the last few days makes you wonder where all this is coming from.

For years we knew that Whiskey Nose manipulated the media and football authorities for his own obvious reasons. None more poignant when this whole "racism" farce boiled over with Suarez. Maureen has tried to do the same thing but has had limited success. City's own influence will be expanding with the money being poured into that club. There are many powerful forces with their own agendas all driving changes behind the scenes yet you want to simply sit there and say this is all to do with Sterling    OK then, lets label it a consipiracy then. You know cause money might have nothing to do with any of this........   

Whether it was 65m or 75m pounds the amount was NOTHING compared to what Suarez was worth on the world stage. 3rd best player on the planet in his prime smashing all sorts of scoring records. He should have gone for much, much more. But you all listened to the media and believed their bollox on why he was only worth that. Because he was a vampire, because he was part of the KKK, because he wasn't this or that....... What absoulate rubbish. To add  insult to injury we badly needed to replace him with another player close to his calibre and we let Sanchez go to our direct rivals even though he played for the club we were doing business with  Oh but wouldn't you know it he wanted to live in London and "there was nothing we could do about it"    You couldn't make this sh**t up!

As for your last point on Suarez's ambition. Suarez wanting to join a club that wins and is continually challenging for trophies is EVERYTHING that is wrong with our football club today. It seems that we don't want to spend any money, effort or time working on these massive egos because its all too tough, it's much easier to sell them. With that mentality we are literally acting like small minded club. When we finally figure out that we need to do everything to keep our best players to actually win trophies, that will be the day that we rise as a force again. That will be the day that I stop moaning about the same constant irratating s**t that keeps this club regressing. Reg can stop his ramblings, you can stop telling me off for being a constant downer and we can all get along. Wouldn't this forum be a great place Dev? 

Seems negotiation wise Sterling and his agent hold all the cards   

from Mail on Sunday

Liverpool forward Raheem Sterling could buy-out the last year of his contract... leaving Chelsea and Manchester City to make cut-price £25m offer this summer

Raheem Sterling could force his way out of Liverpool this summer, costing the club up to £25million while saving potential suitors such as Manchester City and Chelsea the same amount.

Under Premier League regulations the 20-year-old is entitled to 'buy-out' the last year of his current contract which runs out in 2017.

The effect of that would see the fee Liverpool could command for the forward dramatically reduce.

Liverpool insist they will hold firm and not be forced into selling Sterling in the close season.

However, the Reds would have to reconsider their stance if Sterling and his advisers go down the route of buying out a chunk of his contract.

It is understood Liverpool value Sterling as high as £50million given his age, talent and potential.

However, if Sterling effectively only had one year left on his contract that fee would be reduced considerably - perhaps even in half to £25 million.

With Sterling currently on a £35,000 a week, it would cost the England international £1.7m to buy out the last year of his contract.

That sum could swiftly be recouped in the form of a signing on fee with a new club and, of course, in wages.

Liverpool have remained steadfast that their current offer of £100,000-a-week, with potential increments, is more than fair.

But the player and his advisers believe he is now worthy of earning in the region of £150,000-a-week. That is the sum the Sterling camp believe they can get elsewhere with clubs they feel are more likely to play Champions League football.

Thus far, the stalemate between Sterling and Liverpool does not seem to have affected his performances too much.

However, there are those close to the club who feel the situation cannot continue to rumble on for too long for fear of upsetting the mood of the camp. The situation also has the potential to affect Liverpool's moves in the transfer market this summer

Woof your missing the point. It isn't about the money !!!!      

woof woof ! » Apr 19th, '15, 09:23 wrote:Seems negotiation wise Sterling and his agent hold all the cards   :(

from Mail on Sunday

Liverpool forward Raheem Sterling could buy-out the last year of his contract... leaving Chelsea and Manchester City to make cut-price £25m offer this summer

Raheem Sterling could force his way out of Liverpool this summer, costing the club up to £25million while saving potential suitors such as Manchester City and Chelsea the same amount.

Under Premier League regulations the 20-year-old is entitled to 'buy-out' the last year of his current contract which runs out in 2017.

The effect of that would see the fee Liverpool could command for the forward dramatically reduce.

Liverpool insist they will hold firm and not be forced into selling Sterling in the close season.

However, the Reds would have to reconsider their stance if Sterling and his advisers go down the route of buying out a chunk of his contract.

It is understood Liverpool value Sterling as high as £50million given his age, talent and potential.

However, if Sterling effectively only had one year left on his contract that fee would be reduced considerably - perhaps even in half to £25 million.

With Sterling currently on a £35,000 a week, it would cost the England international £1.7m to buy out the last year of his contract.

That sum could swiftly be recouped in the form of a signing on fee with a new club and, of course, in wages.

Liverpool have remained steadfast that their current offer of £100,000-a-week, with potential increments, is more than fair.

But the player and his advisers believe he is now worthy of earning in the region of £150,000-a-week. That is the sum the Sterling camp believe they can get elsewhere with clubs they feel are more likely to play Champions League football.

Thus far, the stalemate between Sterling and Liverpool does not seem to have affected his performances too much.

However, there are those close to the club who feel the situation cannot continue to rumble on for too long for fear of upsetting the mood of the camp. The situation also has the potential to affect Liverpool's moves in the transfer market this summer

Ah yes, the thing they call the "Webster Ruling" (on a par with the Bosman Ruling some would say). If RS's agent has so much as mentioned this as an option for him, then RS needs to get shot of him quick smart cause he needs better guidance and advice.  Basically, come December 2015, RS could buy out his contract making himself a 'free agent' by the end of next season. He can then be free to talk with other clubs in January 2016, but not those outside the EPL.  If he agrees a deal by  or in the Summer, great, if not, LFC will, I guess, listen to offers, despite what BR has said about the situation. Imo, I think RS would be silly if he was considering such an option, hence probably unlikely this is something he would do. LFC / Owners will not have liked the fact that this situation is going on in the public, though, with BR at the helm, he'll happily talk to anyone that would care to listen and will air all in house problems/issues. BR needs to shut his gob, once and for all, and RS needs to get shot of his agent.

Just sell him in the summer, he obviously doesn't want to be here.