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I obviously dont know what Sterling has said regarding his position, if he has even said anything.

The point I was making is playing him all over the pitch and in vastly different positions so often will not be to the lads benefit.
We had the debate for years where Stevie should play, however I dont think he was asked to do the same sort of things we are asking of Raheem.
Rodgers knows Sterling is versatile and he can do a job wherever but he is also one of our best players so for me it's a no brainer that he should be played where he is most effective for the team.

Ben Patrick » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:55 am wrote:I obviously dont know what Sterling has said regarding his position, if he has even said anything.

The point I was making is playing him all over the pitch and in vastly different positions so often will not be to the lads benefit.
We had the debate for years where Stevie should play, however I dont think he was asked to do the same sort of things we are asking of Raheem.
Rodgers knows Sterling is versatile and he can do a job wherever but he is also one of our best players so for me it's a no brainer that he should be played where he is most effective for the team.

I agree that playing him out of position is daft. It will also strengthen Sterlings hand in negotiations, what with BR saying how good his is, and now he can claim to do several jobs for the team too.

But it also highlights the problems with Sterlings attitude. Players like Gerrard, Carra and Kuyt are players with the right attitude, playing wherever asked and getting on with it. I'd guess Sterling is simply paving the way out with excuses.

Lets not waste too much time on sterling. In a way, it is coaching team's fault for depending so much on sterling. We have balotelli, lambert and borini. Surely there would be a way to get these strikers into a system which plays to their strengths..... Borini can press from the front. Lambert has been getting goals for Southampton. And Balotelli is a world cup class striker when used rightly. But the coaching team decides to stick with sterling because he presses from the front (so is this how we want to set up the team ? everyone presses and then they get injured like Dortmund players ?)  And Sterling is acting like an A$$ by making  milking this situation.

There are a$$es like suarez and then there are a$$es like sterling. My impression of suarez is that he will play for free as he loves the game too much. And as for sterling...wasn't he the one to complain to the owl that he was too tired to play .... We cannot build our team around someone like sterling.

My message to FSG. Stop all the negotiations. Just sell him to Arsenal or Man city at the end of the season for $50M.

As I have said Sterling doesn't strike me as the type of lad who will stay here for the rest of his career, in fact even if he does sign this contract that the club have put infront of him I doubt he'll see it out anyway. I don't think he see's this club as his final destination, I think he views LFC as a stepping stone to bigger and better things.

Ben Patrick » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:09 am wrote:I've defended Rodgers on here a number of times but the playing Sterling constantly all over the pitch isnt something I am happy with.

The lad is still learning the game and is sometimes being made to play 3 positions per game.
He was criticised after the united game Sterling but he started right wing back, then was shunted over to left wing back and then pushed further forward.
He should be one of the front 3 every match for me and Rodgers is definitely not helping him one bit.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:39 pm wrote:As I have said Sterling doesn't strike me as the type of lad who will stay here for the rest of his career, in fact even if he does sign this contract that the club have put infront of him I doubt he'll see it out anyway. I don't think he see's this club as his final destination, I think he views LFC as a stepping stone to bigger and better things.

Unfortunately the decades of domestic failure are starting to take their toll and this perception that we are a "stepping stone to bigger and better things" amongst some of our players is only leading this club further into mediocrity. Why wouldn't Sterling act like an immature little diva after witnessing the shambles that was the Luis Suarez transfer last season? Suarez would have acted like an 8 year old in a lolly shop to get his move to Barcelona, and FSG happily obliged selling him for peanuts.

It happens when you have a weak and clueless manager that can't manage players' egos and what they want to achieve in their careers. It also happens when you have penny pinching owners that don't have the financial clout to mix it up with the big boys and have a quiet deluded and myopic view of the sport, surrounded by "yes men" that only reinforce this delusion at the very top.

You don't win s**t selling your best players and don't even come close filling it with 19/20yos and cheap fill-ins. But the reality is that you have a legion of morons that have been conditioned to regurgitate any of the PR rubbish that Rodgers or FSG spew out. Most of them excuses. When something like this hits them (Sterling asking for a ludicrous amount of money), it sends their tiny little minds and worlds spinning. "Sell him"................ "Lets just play Borini instead of him" ..........      

Just so you all understand something, there are only 8 players in the premier league that get paid more than 180k per week:

Costa 200k per week
Fabregas 200k per week
Hazard 185k per week
Yaya Toure 200k per week
Aguero 220k per week
Rooney 300k per week
Falcao 280k per week (loan)
Van Persie 250k per week

So before you start burning your Sterling shirts, take a step back and calm the f**k down. Even if we sold him to the likes of City or Chelsea that would further jeopardise their financial stability under FFP by adding another player (at 180k per week) which costs them close to 10m per season! 

I find it extremely upsetting that nobody has had the balls to actually blame Rogers for Gerrard and Skrtel getting sent off. Player ill discipline is a disgrace.  Also playing Sturridge was idiotic. Everybody knows he is so injury prone that he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football pitch. These factors have seriously damaged our chances of a top four place probably as much as losing to United. Sack him now !!!     

Sell him and buy Veratti with the money. Ibe is going to be better than Sterling anyway.


                                   Mingolet

                  Can            Skrtel          Sakho

    Ibe                Lucas (c)        Veratti            Markovic

                         Coutinho        Origi

                                  Sturridge

That side would go close to the title imo.
To be fair if we would have started this season without Gerrard at DM and a back 3 we'd probably be challenging for the title anyway, even without Veratti and Origi.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:37 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:57 pm wrote:If not Rodgers then who? Can one of the Rodgers critics tell us the name of this miracle worker who will win us the title/champions league despite being at a significant disadvantage to a lot of other clubs?

I heard similar protestations when Benitez was introduced to the club with notably a harder job to do ,and with I might add United and Chelsea at the peak of their
powers Only he had to go out and procure the talent that turned us into a force ,Rodgers will never entice the the thinking man's footballer like Alonso ,players of
his ilk came to this club because they wished to play under a manager renowned for their tactical prowess ,the same with Garcia, Reina and Torres .

So with all due respect mate ,that argument is trotted out far too regularly ,the fact remains Rodgers has failed to deliver with a team that on paper would have any
manager with a modicum of tactical acumen drooling at the mouth.

Rogers has successfully attracted Sturridge, Coutinho, Can and based on recent performances dare I say Mignolet. He helped develop Suarez, who lets face it had a very lacklustre first full season, into a player that nearly helped win us the title. None of the players that you have mentioned were setting the world on fire prior to joining Liverpool.

Riena came from a lowly  Villarreal. Alonso was earning £4k a week with Real Sociedad and he was very close to signing for that massive outfit Southampton before he agreed to sign for Liverpool. Torres's only honour with Athletico Madrid was winning the second division! Luis Garcia Barca was rejected by Barca after failing to impress after one season. I really fail to understand where you are coming from RBG. You talk as if all Rafa's signings turned into world beaters and that certainly was not the case. He brought in a lot of players and the law of averages would suggest that some would be successful whilst others would be abject failures. Yes he won us the European Cup against all odds and looking at the team I still struggle to believe the result !! He certainly had lady lucky on his side. Rafa's CV has had it's moments but just remind me what he has actually achieved over the last few years. He was ignored for a very long time before Chelsea out of sheer desperation gave him the job of "interim" manager. I know you haven't got any time for Rogers on or off the field but there are times mate when I think you stretch the boundaries of success and failure.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:42 pm wrote:Sell him and buy Veratti with the money. Ibe is going to be better than Sterling anyway.


                                   Mingolet

                  Can            Skrtel          Sakho

    Ibe                Lucas (c)        Veratti            Markovic

                         Coutinho        Origi

                                  Sturridge

That side would go close to the title imo.

Seriously 

devaney » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:17 pm wrote:Rogers has successfully attracted Sturridge, Coutinho, Can and based on recent performances dare I say Mignolet. He helped develop Suarez, who lets face it had a very lacklustre first full season, into a player that nearly helped win us the title. None of the players that you have mentioned were setting the world on fire prior to joining Liverpool.

Riena came from a lowly  Villarreal. Alonso was earning £4k a week with Real Sociedad and he was very close to signing for that massive outfit Southampton before he agreed to sign for Liverpool. Torres's only honour with Athletico Madrid was winning the second division! Luis Garcia Barca was rejected by Barca after failing to impress after one season. I really fail to understand where you are coming from RBG. You talk as if all Rafa's signings turned into world beaters and that certainly was not the case. He brought in a lot of players and the law of averages would suggest that some would be successful whilst others would be abject failures. Yes he won us the European Cup against all odds and looking at the team I still struggle to believe the result !! He certainly had lady lucky on his side. Rafa's CV has had it's moments but just remind me what he has actually achieved over the last few years. He was ignored for a very long time before Chelsea out of sheer desperation gave him the job of "interim" manager. I know you haven't got any time for Rogers on or off the field but there are times mate when I think you stretch the boundaries of success and failure.

Lady Luck  I think we will leave that opinion where it lies ,in the Anfield trophy room nestling up to its brothers ...As for the players under Rafa I think if I'm not
mistaken I stated they were the 'thinking man's footballers' I don't think I even implied they were coveted by top teams prior to making the journey to Anfield 

Regarding Suarez I think he was due an immense second season ,such was his god given talent and would have arguably (I say arguably because I don't want to totally
undermine the sword arm of the apologists who wield this particular myth so effectively ) flourished under any manager.

I think when Rafa departs Spanish shores he will have a plethora of top teams vying for his signature ,whether that's City as rumoured I wouldn't know ,but if they seek
a bona fide 'winner ,then they needn't cast their nets too far from Caldy.... In point of fact, pertaining to my post mate  ,you only fell on the truth' once' with my total
and utter lack of fondness or more importantly affinity with the man tasked to take us forward.

Well let me try again because I would hate to simply overlook the truth    I selected a number of players that Rogers has been involved in buying and you have simply chosen to ignore the fact that they are beginning to look like impressive purchases. If Sturridge, Coutinho and Can are not a thinking man's footballer then I'm not sure what you are looking for?  You have waxed lyrical on numerous occasions about the bewildering skill that Coutinho displays on a regular basis and yet you fail to give Rogers one single ounce of credit for this. £8.5m from Inter Milan was up there with some of the best buys this century !! They had written the lad off and yet we have developed him into something very special. 

Simply subscribing to the view that Suarez would have succeeded anywhere is the easy option. He was under a ban when he arrived at Anfield. It took him time to settle. It needed the management skills of the owners, Rogers and some highly skilled "head" specialists to get him through the Evra debacle. The fans also played no small part. But lets just forget all that and the important part that Rogers played and simply believe that he could have done it all by himself. I'm sorry mate you generally make a reasonable amount of sense but as I eluded to you are stretching the boundaries of your dislike for Rogers a tad too far. I agree that he has his shortcomings but not to the extent that I overlook areas where he has succeeded.

red till i die!! » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:23 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:42 pm wrote:Sell him and buy Veratti with the money. Ibe is going to be better than Sterling anyway.


                                   Mingolet

                  Can            Skrtel          Sakho

    Ibe                Lucas (c)        Veratti            Markovic

                         Coutinho        Origi

                                  Sturridge

That side would go close to the title imo.

Seriously 

Yes seriously, as I said the side we have now would be challenging for the title if we would have started the season with a back 3 and Lucas at DM. We have been at the top of the form table for months.

devaney » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:48 pm wrote:Well let me try again because I would hate to simply overlook the truth    I selected a number of players that Rogers has been involved in buying and you have simply chosen to ignore the fact that they are beginning to look like impressive purchases. If Sturridge, Coutinho and Can are not a thinking man's footballer then I'm not sure what you are looking for?  You have waxed lyrical on numerous occasions about the bewildering skill that Coutinho displays on a regular basis and yet you fail to give Rogers one single ounce of credit for this. £8.5m from Inter Milan was up there with some of the best buys this century !! They had written the lad off and yet we have developed him into something very special. 

Simply subscribing to the view that Suarez would have succeeded anywhere is the easy option. He was under a ban when he arrived at Anfield. It took him time to settle. It needed the management skills of the owners, Rogers and some highly skilled "head" specialists to get him through the Evra debacle. The fans also played no small part. But lets just forget all that and the important part that Rogers played and simply believe that he could have done it all by himself. I'm sorry mate you generally make a reasonable amount of sense but as I eluded to you are stretching the boundaries of your dislike for Rogers a tad too far. I agree that he has his shortcomings but not to the extent that I overlook areas where he has succeeded.

Dev I decided against the debate to who exactly Rodgers procured, because no one really knows which of those players were money ball purchases on behalf of the
committee or indeed Rodgers buys ....In truth I think your overinflated appraisal of Rodgers also belies your once keen perception of what's best for the club.

I could also highlight how passionate you've been in the past  about the club you no doubt love ,and how recently its been lost in a haze betwixt your defence of Rodgers and this need to extol the man as the future of this club ....As for this never giving Rodgers any credit ,then I think you will find you're incorrect in that assumption.

I have often used my opening post with the words' kudos to Rodgers' when the display demanded it ,and conversely I am never retiring in covering my dislike for the
man and I'm honest enough to admit it as such ,in more simplistic terms I just don't like the fella ,but implying it clouds my judgement on this great institution I
have carried with me since I was first dumped in the boys pen is ludicrous ,but if that makes it easier for you mate then you go ahead.

One question for you ,if Rodgers had been in charge through the Suarez /Evra incident do you honestly believe he would have proffered the same depth of support
as Dalglish did even to the detriment of his own longevity at the club 

red till i die!! » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:23 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:42 pm wrote:Sell him and buy Veratti with the money. Ibe is going to be better than Sterling anyway.


                                   Mingolet

                  Can            Skrtel          Sakho

    Ibe                Lucas (c)        Veratti            Markovic

                         Coutinho        Origi

                                  Sturridge

That side would go close to the title imo.

Seriously 

What ever drugs you are on Yakka send it our way, that is some mind-blowing s**t

You do realise that if Sturridge were to get injured the top scorer in that side would be Skrtel

Yeah we would be real close to winning the title