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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:53 pm

I just want to go to places like Stamford Bridge ,the Etihad and Old Trafford and not be lauded for our gallant failure.....We need a manager who is mutually
loathed by the top teams coaches ,but equally respected for his football acumen.

Rodgers for me is not that man ,nor is he likely to ever be

by **Danish Red** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:08 pm

So a manager puts us within one game of winning the title ( our best result in two decades ) then loses the two main reasons for that so struggles with a lot of new arrivals - changes things and then the team starts to play well again and get results and people want him gone ?!

So I guess there is a magical list of managers to bring in ?

Or how about we get behind the one who has finally given us hope for the future and is building solid foundations for us.

by **Kash_Mountain** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:11 pm

Danish Red » Jan 28th, '15, 16:08 wrote:So a manager puts us within one game of winning the title ( our best result in two decades ) then loses the two main reasons for that so struggles with a lot of new arrivals - changes things and then the team starts to play well again and get results and people want him gone ?!

So I guess there is a magical list of managers to bring in ?

Or how about we get behind the one who has finally given us hope for the future and is building solid foundations for us.

Rafa got us 2nd, as did GH. Glad you are happy to come 2nd. So, how come other Clubs haven't struggled with new arrivals? What solid foundations are they then, and do they come in rose tinted....!!

by **Danish Red** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:17 pm

I was gutted that we missed out last season but chuffed that we got back up there

Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season

What other clubs have lost their main striker one of the best in world and then lost their other striker - over 50 goals between them ?

A lot of new faces arrived to fill out a thin squad

The squad now is one of the youngest in the prem with even more youngsters looking to come through - it's quite clear foundations are being built

So who do you want to replace Rodgers with ?

by **Kash_Mountain** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:32 pm

Danish Red » Jan 28th, '15, 16:17 wrote:I was gutted that we missed out last season but chuffed that we got back up there

Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season

What other clubs have lost their main striker one of the best in world and then lost their other striker - over 50 goals between them ?

A lot of new faces arrived to fill out a thin squad

The squad now is one of the youngest in the prem with even more youngsters looking to come through - it's quite clear foundations are being built

So who do you want to replace Rodgers with ?

You have to stop making excuses (you sound awfully like Yakka). BR had ample time to get a replacement for LS. "Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season" BR got LFC 2nd, Rafa and GH both got LFC 2nd. What's the difference?

by **Danish Red** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:39 pm

They are not excuses - they are reasons

Replacing a player like Suarez isn't an easy matter and then losing Sturridge also - that's 50 goals gone - thats a massive loss for any club to have

Last season we actually had the title in our hands with three games left to play - we were never in that position with either Rafa or GH and it's quite clear to see that

So who do you want to see as manager

It's clear to see the youth coming through and the foundations being built - even the signings we had in the summer - how many were youngsters looking towards the future ? Three seasons ago we will floundering aound 7th/8th - the manager gets us back into the top 4 and yet some still want him gone

by **kazza** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:55 pm

Danish Red » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:17 pm wrote:I was gutted that we missed out last season but chuffed that we got back up there

Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season

What other clubs have lost their main striker one of the best in world and then lost their other striker - over 50 goals between them ?

A lot of new faces arrived to fill out a thin squad

The squad now is one of the youngest in the prem with even more youngsters looking to come through - it's quite clear foundations are being built

So who do you want to replace Rodgers with ?

This!

by **Reg** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:34 pm

by **Kash_Mountain** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:43 pm

Danish Red » Jan 28th, '15, 16:39 wrote:They are not excuses - they are reasons

Replacing a player like Suarez isn't an easy matter and then losing Sturridge also - that's 50 goals gone - thats a massive loss for any club to have

Last season we actually had the title in our hands with three games left to play - we were never in that position with either Rafa or GH and it's quite clear to see that

So who do you want to see as manager

It's clear to see the youth coming through and the foundations being built - even the signings we had in the summer - how many were youngsters looking towards the future ? Three seasons ago we will floundering aound 7th/8th - the manager gets us back into the top 4 and yet some still want him gone

Dress it up how you want, 2nd is second, and it doesn't matter how close LFC were, they came 2nd, end off.

Who said it was easy to replace LS, I certainly didn't nor did anyone else. As I said before, BR had ample time, so what was he doing for the best part of a year and a bit, he definitely knew LS was leaving and didn't plan. What does that say Yakka, it says that he is a bad manager (Coach) who does not plan ahead.

Don't make me laugh about the Academy Players, how is it clear to see the youth coming through? he's shafted them by loaning them out, or selling them and shells out and buys youngsters from abroad who only have a 'bit' more experience than most of the Academy players.

It’s obvious that one of the issues is that LFC can't afford to buy those ‘ ready made’ players, that’s a massive problem because the money spent in the summer should have been spent on quality for the 1st team rather than quantity (a kid in a sweet shop style). Why is the likes of Rossiter not getting a chance? The Coaching staff (including BR) have no idea of the types pf assets that are in the Academy, they are being wasted. There are players in the Academy, like Rossiter, that are quality.

Do you realise what it means to have an Academy? It is failing FFP rules because BR refuses to give them chance in favour of buying so called ‘young ready-made players’ The players that he has brought in are of similar age to those quality players in the Academy.

So, after the full review that is being conducted by the Owners, they are likely to bring in a DoF and Head Coach from what I understand.

Do you realise its BR that makes recommendations to the board about keeping players? He wants to keep GJ, a player that has no desire or ability, what a joke.

Do you realise that part of the review includes details of what the day to day training entails, day to day management of players etc. Then draw up a plan detailing who and what can help. BR will need to accept the recommendations of help and must work with whoever is employed to make improvements. But BR being BR, his ego will probably take a beating and refuse the help in the process. The Owners want success, they have invested heavily, and following consultation with the 3rd parties, BR may be gone in the summer. Point is, If BR won’t accept help, then the Owners will consider other options, and it would be complacent to think that they have not done this already.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:53 pm

Kash_Mountain » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:32 pm wrote:
Danish Red » Jan 28th, '15, 16:17 wrote:I was gutted that we missed out last season but chuffed that we got back up there

Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season

What other clubs have lost their main striker one of the best in world and then lost their other striker - over 50 goals between them ?

A lot of new faces arrived to fill out a thin squad

The squad now is one of the youngest in the prem with even more youngsters looking to come through - it's quite clear foundations are being built

So who do you want to replace Rodgers with ?

You have to stop making excuses (you sound awfully like Yakka). BR had ample time to get a replacement for LS. "Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season" BR got LFC 2nd, Rafa and GH both got LFC 2nd. What's the difference?

Ample time to get a replacement for Suarez? You think it's that easy to replace one of the best players in the world?
Some of you lot need a huge reality check, teams like Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal have far more resources than us and what's more they aren't managed by mugs either, the likes of Mourinho, LVG, Pellegrini and Wenger are top managers.
Brendan can't go out and spend £60m+ on one player like LVG or even £42m like Wenger, he is taking on these managers with one hand tied behind his back.
Since Christmas we have played Arsenal once and Chelsea twice and IMO looked the better team

by **Kash_Mountain** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:22 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Jan 28th, '15, 19:53 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:32 pm wrote:
Danish Red » Jan 28th, '15, 16:17 wrote:I was gutted that we missed out last season but chuffed that we got back up there

Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season

What other clubs have lost their main striker one of the best in world and then lost their other striker - over 50 goals between them ?

A lot of new faces arrived to fill out a thin squad

The squad now is one of the youngest in the prem with even more youngsters looking to come through - it's quite clear foundations are being built

So who do you want to replace Rodgers with ?

You have to stop making excuses (you sound awfully like Yakka). BR had ample time to get a replacement for LS. "Neither Rafa nor GH got us as close as last season" BR got LFC 2nd, Rafa and GH both got LFC 2nd. What's the difference?

Ample time to get a replacement for Suarez? You think it's that easy to replace one of the best players in the world?
Some of you lot need a huge reality check, teams like Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal have far more resources than us and what's more they aren't managed by mugs either, the likes of Mourinho, LVG, Pellegrini and Wenger are top managers.
Brendan can't go out and spend £60m+ on one player like LVG or even £42m like Wenger, he is taking on these managers with one hand tied behind his back.
Since Christmas we have played Arsenal once and Chelsea twice and IMO looked the better team

Give it a rest, you really are making excuses for him.He buys quantity instead of quality. How bloody long does he need to bring in a decent, top notch striker? I thought a year and a bit was sufficient time to 'plan'. Great, so since Christmas, iyo, we've looked good, what about the previous months? Actually, I think you are BR. Excuses at the ready....

He is certainly not taking on these managers with one hand tied behind his back. Who told him to buy all those players? 2 or3 would have been sufficient with the youth getting their chances as well.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:59 pm

Why are you constantly having a go at Rodgers about our transfer policy? Did you miss that piece by James Pearce of the Echo where he explained that Rodgers doesn't have the power of veto and has been frequently over ruled?
Putting that aside for one moment where have you been the past 5 years? Did you miss the part where we nearly went bust, had a Chelsea fan for a chairman, went through a succession of managers and constantly finished halfway down the table?
Brendan has been here 3 years, in that time he has nearly won us our first title in a quarter of a century, got us into the CL for the first time in half a decade and he has us playing some of the best football in our history.
All this when there are at least 4 clubs with excellent managers and vastly more resources than us.
You don't want a manager you want a miracle worker.
Brendan is doing an absolutely fantastic job, we don't spend £60m+ on players but he has put together a side that can compete with teams that do. Last night half of our team was 22 or under and our manager is the same age as Ryan Giggs but there was nothing and I mean nothing between the two sides and considering the opposition are being bankrolled by petro dollars and have Jose Mourinho as manager I think Brendan deserves a hell of a lot of praise for that.

by **Danish Red** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:20 pm

Kash_Mountain » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:43 pm wrote:
Danish Red » Jan 28th, '15, 16:39 wrote:They are not excuses - they are reasons

Replacing a player like Suarez isn't an easy matter and then losing Sturridge also - that's 50 goals gone - thats a massive loss for any club to have

Last season we actually had the title in our hands with three games left to play - we were never in that position with either Rafa or GH and it's quite clear to see that

So who do you want to see as manager

It's clear to see the youth coming through and the foundations being built - even the signings we had in the summer - how many were youngsters looking towards the future ? Three seasons ago we will floundering aound 7th/8th - the manager gets us back into the top 4 and yet some still want him gone

1.Dress it up how you want, 2nd is second, and it doesn't matter how close LFC were, they came 2nd, end off.

2.Who said it was easy to replace LS, I certainly didn't nor did anyone else. As I said before, BR had ample time, so what was he doing for the best part of a year and a bit, he definitely knew LS was leaving and didn't plan. What does that say Yakka, it says that he is a bad manager (Coach) who does not plan ahead.

3.Don't make me laugh about the Academy Players, how is it clear to see the youth coming through? he's shafted them by loaning them out, or selling them and shells out and buys youngsters from abroad who only have a 'bit' more experience than most of the Academy players.

4.It’s obvious that one of the issues is that LFC can't afford to buy those ‘ ready made’ players, that’s a massive problem because the money spent in the summer should have been spent on quality for the 1st team rather than quantity (a kid in a sweet shop style). Why is the likes of Rossiter not getting a chance? The Coaching staff (including BR) have no idea of the types pf assets that are in the Academy, they are being wasted. There are players in the Academy, like Rossiter, that are quality.

Do you realise what it means to have an Academy? It is failing FFP rules because BR refuses to give them chance in favour of buying so called ‘young ready-made players’ The players that he has brought in are of similar age to those quality players in the Academy.

5.So, after the full review that is being conducted by the Owners, they are likely to bring in a DoF and Head Coach from what I understand.

6.Do you realise its BR that makes recommendations to the board about keeping players? He wants to keep GJ, a player that has no desire or ability, what a joke.

7.Do you realise that part of the review includes details of what the day to day training entails, day to day management of players etc. Then draw up a plan detailing who and what can help. BR will need to accept the recommendations of help and must work with whoever is employed to make improvements. But BR being BR, his ego will probably take a beating and refuse the help in the process. The Owners want success, they have invested heavily, and following consultation with the 3rd parties, BR may be gone in the summer. Point is, If BR won’t accept help, then the Owners will consider other options, and it would be complacent to think that they have not done this already.

1. There is a clear difference between actually challenging for the title going into the last week - that's we did last year - it's the closest we have come in 20 plus years
2. When was it decided that Suarez was leaving a year in advance ? Understand he signed a new contract and the club had no intention of selling him until he bit the Italian

3. Players going on loan is part of their development - it allows them to gain expirence - Ibe is the perfect example

4. Rossiter is a young lad who has played his part in the season but again is still young and has someone called Lucas playing in his role right now returning to form. It was clear last year that with the increase in games this season we need to increase the size and quality innthe squad hence why we bought 6 players and loaned another - we couldn't go into this season with such a small squad.

5. What review ? Who has told you all this about a DoF etc - from what is being said the owners are happy with the progress being made by the manager.

The newspaper reports that he would like GJ to stay on a reduced contract - that's his choice and didn't realise it was the defining mark of him as a manager

When did the owners speak to you about this plan of theirs

And again please name the manager you would like to see instead of Rodgers

That's Rodgers who has taken a team from 7th/8th into 2nd and CL and again looking to get into the Top 4 of the league to continue building

by **fivecups** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:33 pm

Danish Red » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:08 pm wrote:So a manager puts us within one game of winning the title ( our best result in two decades ) then loses the two main reasons for that so struggles with a lot of new arrivals - changes things and then the team starts to play well again and get results and people want him gone ?!

So I guess there is a magical list of managers to bring in ?

Or how about we get behind the one who has finally given us hope for the future and is building solid foundations for us.

Yes, not to mention we shop in a different market to the other top teams. We've talked and hoped for loads of players in recent years - Aguero, Eriksen, Falcao, Sanchez, Willian, Costa, Silva etc. etc. etc. Either we can't afford these players or they choose the London lifestyle. We shouldn't be matching Chelsea/City but we did last season and we're not far off at the minute.

by **fivecups** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:41 pm

Kash, I'll ask again. Over and over again you mention this review that's being carried out. Whats your source for this???

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