Liverpool FC Forum

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:29 am wrote:

kazza » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:49 am wrote:Refusing to panic and turn on the team. We dominated play, missed opportunities that on another day go in and made one error defensively that on another day does not fall kindly for their player. You play that match 10 times and nine times out of ten Liverpool win. Get a grip people!

After a nineteen game unbeaten run we were due a loss and since we dominated the match more a question of bad luck than bad strategy.

There's a stat doing the rounds which states that in games where we've totally dominated the ball we've only managed 2 wins, so in other words if you want at least a draw out of us just let us have the ball, we don't know what to do with it.
It's alright saying get a grip Kaz but it's obvious that we have an issue when it comes to breaking teams down who sit deep. The issue was there when we had Phil so it's going to be even worse now.

What shall we do then? Do we need a physcially strong striker, like Ibra, who will plant himself near the opponent's penalty box and yet skillful enough to trap the ball in congested area and score goals? Do we need a target man again like Carol? I hope note. Or do we need a Predatory striker like Owen, who will be waiting, sniffing for an opportunity and is lethal in finishing? Because all of the above involves a significant change in the system and Klopp doesn't seem to want to play with an out and out striker. Non of Salah, Mane, Firmino are lethal finishers. They are skillful attacking players who are good at finishing. But they are not specialist finishers if you know what I mean...

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:29 am wrote:

kazza » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:49 am wrote:Refusing to panic and turn on the team. We dominated play, missed opportunities that on another day go in and made one error defensively that on another day does not fall kindly for their player. You play that match 10 times and nine times out of ten Liverpool win. Get a grip people!

After a nineteen game unbeaten run we were due a loss and since we dominated the match more a question of bad luck than bad strategy.

There's a stat doing the rounds which states that in games where we've totally dominated the ball we've only managed 2 wins, so in other words if you want at least a draw out of us just let us have the ball, we don't know what to do with it.
It's alright saying get a grip Kaz but it's obvious that we have an issue when it comes to breaking teams down who sit deep. The issue was there when we had Phil so it's going to be even worse now.

Yakka its not the set up mate its the mind set of starting games like we're already winning,practically 9 out of 10 teams sit deep against City but they start their games at a 100mph and never look like decelerating,we need to have the same Sh*t or bust mentality and fly out of the traps every game regardless of the quality of opposition.

kazza » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:49 am wrote:Refusing to panic and turn on the team. We dominated play, missed opportunities that on another day go in and made one error defensively that on another day does not fall kindly for their player. You play that match 10 times and nine times out of ten Liverpool win. Get a grip people!

After a nineteen game unbeaten run we were due a loss and since we dominated the match more a question of bad luck than bad strategy.

A key issue is that many LFC fans do not have patience, and want instant results.

It's just the way the game is these days with all the money involved. There's pressure on the manager, players and the fans will tear their hair out.
That's why you get knee jerk reactions in here.

I don't think that it is a knee jerk reaction. It is an old wound that the current owner and manager have not done enough to appease the fans. I feel that it is warranted. I was very very critical about how the season unfolded last year. We had a great start to the season. We lost Ings before the season. Manager had a falling out with the best defender we had and exiled him, rightly or wrongly. Manager had a falling out with the best striker we had at the time and not play him. The holiday season congested schedule comes and we fail miserably. We decide not to reinforce in January. Injuries mount and the rest is history. Considering the start we had, we threw away that season. Klopp under estimated the league and the Owners were more interested in balancing the books.

maguskwt » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:54 pm wrote:I don't think that it is a knee jerk reaction. It is an old wound that the current owner and manager have not done enough to appease the fans. I feel that it is warranted. I was very very critical about how the season unfolded last year. We had a great start to the season. We lost Ings before the season. Manager had a falling out with the best defender we had and exiled him, rightly or wrongly. Manager had a falling out with the best striker we had at the time and not play him. The holiday season congested schedule comes and we fail miserably. We decide not to reinforce in January. Injuries mount and the rest is history. Considering the start we had, we threw away that season. Klopp under estimated the league and the Owners were more interested in balancing the books.

Exactly, some people have short memories, we had a terrific start to last season (beating all our rivals and topping the table) but then we picked up one or two injuries, the club had the chance to strengthen in January but decided against it, what started out as a promising season then ended up unravelling in January and February. By May we were out on our feet, we literally crawled over the line to scrape 4th (after very nearly throwing that away as well).
This season we had a poor start but battled back well, by Christmas we had moved to within 3 points of second place and after a decent draw in the last 16 were being spoken about as possible dark horses for the CL. What happens? We sell our best player in January and decide not to replace him.
We obviously haven't learned our lesson from last year, sometimes doing nothing is more risky than going into the market and gambling on a player.

Valid point but we don't know why we are not strengthening now, is it FSG refusing to cough up the cash or is it Klopp not wanting anyone. If it's the former I would hope Klopp would have indicated his frustration, if the latter then the club isn't going to go out and buy someone against Klopps wishes.
It must really be down to Klopp, the danger of not qualifying for the Champions League would cost the club dear and I'm sure they would cough up the cash if the manager said we needed to buy to ensure we qualify, the loss in revenue isn't just the Champions League money it would also hit other revenue streams.

maguskwt » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:11 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:29 am wrote:

kazza » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:49 am wrote:Refusing to panic and turn on the team. We dominated play, missed opportunities that on another day go in and made one error defensively that on another day does not fall kindly for their player. You play that match 10 times and nine times out of ten Liverpool win. Get a grip people!

After a nineteen game unbeaten run we were due a loss and since we dominated the match more a question of bad luck than bad strategy.

There's a stat doing the rounds which states that in games where we've totally dominated the ball we've only managed 2 wins, so in other words if you want at least a draw out of us just let us have the ball, we don't know what to do with it.
It's alright saying get a grip Kaz but it's obvious that we have an issue when it comes to breaking teams down who sit deep. The issue was there when we had Phil so it's going to be even worse now.

What shall we do then? Do we need a physcially strong striker, like Ibra, who will plant himself near the opponent's penalty box and yet skillful enough to trap the ball in congested area and score goals? Do we need a target man again like Carol? I hope not. Or do we need a Predatory striker like Owen, who will be waiting, sniffing for an opportunity and is lethal in finishing? Because all of the above involves a significant change in the system and Klopp doesn't seem to want to play with an out and out striker. Non of Salah, Mane, Firmino are lethal finishers. They are skillful attacking players who are good at finishing. But they are not specialist finishers if you know what I mean...

Yes...yes we do. We need a plan B. Something we don't have right now. We need a number 9, a strong physical presence. I love Bobby, for all of his attributes, he's not a 6ft 3"+ centre forward.

Arsenal have Giroud
United have Lukaku/Ibra
Chelsea are looking to recruiting similar
Spurs have Llorente

City being the exception to the rule, all of our immediate rivals, have a plan B.

I am a Lincoln fan, born and bred here. Those of you that saw our FA Cup run last year, will have seen big Matt Rhead. One hefty lump of a human being, not akin to a footballer's physique at all, but Brighton, Burnley, Ipswich et al couldn't deal with him. Now, don't get me wrong, i'm not comparing here, but a big plan B is not a bad plan B. Most of these lower table teams are down there because they concede too many goals, so why not "put it on them" to coin a phrase.

The system we play has no room for a big target man that isn't mobile enough to work in tandem with the pressing from the rest of the team. That is the key requirement for a forward in Klopps team. As was said we had some chances to put the game away and while we have excellent forwards on the day they just weren't clinical enough to take the chances in a game where very few fell our way. Sturridge is a great finisher but not mobile enough to cope with the demands or robust enough to go the distance so that's why his career is pretty much done here. He still is a better option than Ings or Solanke though but doesn't have the confidence of the manager.
I wouldn't say we necessarily need a 6 ft 3 striker because from set pieces Van Dijk is as much as threat as anyone. What we need is someone who can work in a tight space when the opposition is playing a numbers game and crowding us out. A player that will take on responsibility and create his own chances would clean up in our side rather than recycling the ball and responsibility to someone else. If we still had Suarez in this team we would be neck and neck with City imo.
Panic buying is going out on a whim and just getting someone for the sake of it and we don't need that but surely we have targets lined up.
Anyway this loss still hurts but thankfully not as much as it did the other night. West Brom on Saturday in the cup and then Huddersfield midweek so we move on.

Maybe we should buy Benteke back 

kazza » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:45 pm wrote:Maybe we should buy Benteke back 

Hell yeah!!