LIVERPOOL VS SUNDERLAND - Saturday 25th sept 15:00

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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:10 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
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dawson99 wrote:Didn't Torres get called badly for offside? Didn't Agger miss a sitter? Yeah, we were VERY lucky that game... good non biased views as always

Swings and roundabouts, and you could see turner after the game laughing, knowing he'd f*ked up
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Watch the replay - torres was offside by a yard .

Agger missing a sitter isnt luck its poor finishing .

so when Sunderland do something we're lucky, when we do something wrong we're just bad?


Ok, can i just double check, you seriously do support Liverpool yeah?

I was being very serious

Our First goal - many refs in fact i thin every other ref but him would of disallowed the goal as evert man and his dog knew he was just pushing it back for the gk - but i will take the goal as it balances out the beachball

Penalty Incident - Sunderland attack nicks the ball past Pepe then gets wiped out - clear penalty

Gerrard Incident - Jumps leading with forearm nowhere near the ball and connects straight into the guys face - straight red

We got lucky with a very very weak ref - a stronger ref and it would of been against us and we wouldnt of had any complaints.


Just so you can read it again .

No way. You are mental son.

Every single highlights show, commentator and prior referee said the goal should of stood. Even Chris fucking Kamara said it should and he is always having a pop at Liverpool.

The referee made a point of making Turner put the ball in the exact place he wanted it taken. The letter of the law states as soon as the ball is struck with the foot and is moving the ball is in play.

Dry your eyes and get over it, I assume the Sunderland fans have by now.
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:11 am

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Ciggy wrote:I am really concerned about Reina since Roys arrived over the years hes never hardly had anything to do, now his nerves are shot he's all over the place and his confidence is shot to pieces.
Hes no longer our sweeper he is coming out of the box an awful lot I dont like it one bit.
Hes one of the best keepers in the world but he's looking very very shakey this season.

Do we have a goal keeping coach? Or is it roy and his man from Fulham? Our coach that left was excellent and Reina oozed confidence with his coaching he doesnt look like the same goal keeper anymore. This is a major worry he deserves better than this.

Any blind man could see the reason for Reina's lapses or continued need to come out is our defensive frailties.

Unfortunately Ciggy your lack of first hand knowledge (I.e. Actually playing the game competitively) puts you at a disservice. Like it was said before, you don't become bad overnight certainly not since a new coach has come.

Reina's moments of lapses have been no more prevalent that others.

Teams are having a go at us now where as the past 5 years Reina has hardly anything to do he could sit in goal most games and have a picknick without even getting up. Now that the zonal marking has been scrapped, Reina is all over the place and his nerves are shot to pieces look at how many goals we have conceeded this season already for proof.
Sunderland havent even scored at Anfield for 10 years they got two on saturday.
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:18 am

A goalkeepers confidence will clearly be affected when he loses confidence in the players in front of him.  The back 4 and the DM are not doing well right now and as Tomkins said... teams are creating twice as many chances against us as before.  As a result, pepe is under a lot more pressure.  I still think he is playing very well..  But he has looked a little shaky at times.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:36 am

Ciggy wrote:
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Ciggy wrote:I am really concerned about Reina since Roys arrived over the years hes never hardly had anything to do, now his nerves are shot he's all over the place and his confidence is shot to pieces.
Hes no longer our sweeper he is coming out of the box an awful lot I dont like it one bit.
Hes one of the best keepers in the world but he's looking very very shakey this season.

Do we have a goal keeping coach? Or is it roy and his man from Fulham? Our coach that left was excellent and Reina oozed confidence with his coaching he doesnt look like the same goal keeper anymore. This is a major worry he deserves better than this.

Any blind man could see the reason for Reina's lapses or continued need to come out is our defensive frailties.

Unfortunately Ciggy your lack of first hand knowledge (I.e. Actually playing the game competitively) puts you at a disservice. Like it was said before, you don't become bad overnight certainly not since a new coach has come.

Reina's moments of lapses have been no more prevalent that others.

Teams are having a go at us now where as the past 5 years Reina has hardly anything to do he could sit in goal most games and have a picknick without even getting up. Now that the zonal marking has been scrapped, Reina is all over the place and his nerves are shot to pieces look at how many goals we have conceeded this season already for proof.
Sunderland havent even scored at Anfield for 10 years they got two on saturday.

You're probably right but I can't blame a new coach for the lapses. For me the problems lie with the boy's in front of him.

When the back four are regularly under performing and leaving him exposed he is bound to make more mistakes. The pressure must be enormous.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:38 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Yeah he did really well to adjust after the deflection and then put power into it , great finish . I don't think too much should be read into the reaction - it seemed Torres just wanted to get back to get the game started again to try and get a winner

I think there is more to it. When Gerrard scores, Torres cheers at him but Gerrard runs straight past his face, not even acknowledging the assist. Torres doesn't even join the celebrating pack.

Weird. Suspicious.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:41 am

Pepe is being put under extreme pressure at the moment - he is getting no protection but I don't think he has really made that many errors - prob the one at arsenal . He is still producing world class saves, coming off his line superbly and being the sweeper we know he is . Pepe is one player I don't think we should worry about . P.s. SCS I'm extremely delighted about the first goal so no need to dry my eyes - wasn't upset about it in the first place .
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:43 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Yeah he did really well to adjust after the deflection and then put power into it , great finish . I don't think too much should be read into the reaction - it seemed Torres just wanted to get back to get the game started again to try and get a winner

I think there is more to it. When Gerrard scores, Torres cheers at him but Gerrard runs straight past his face, not even acknowledging the assist. Torres doesn't even join the celebrating pack.

Weird. Suspicious.

Didn't realise gerrard ran straight past Torres and didn't acknowledge him - thought Torres had already moved up to half way so yeah it is a bit suspicious .
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:55 am

Anyone got a link to that second goal?  i wanna see this gerrard/torres reaction thingy.
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:49 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Pepe is being put under extreme pressure at the moment - he is getting no protection but I don't think he has really made that many errors - prob the one at arsenal . He is still producing world class saves, coming off his line superbly and being the sweeper we know he is . Pepe is one player I don't think we should worry about .

Exactly.  Just because he's been a bit busier at times this season than in the past doesn't mean 'his nerves are shot' or his decision making's dodgy.  He's still top drawer, just like last season when he was our best player while those around him lost the plot.  Nothing at all to worry about.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:56 am

Spot on - the way it is going so far he is going to clearly be our player of the season once again - still the best keeper in the world IMO
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:56 am

Well, Benny, in the interests of being fair and balanced, the Footy365 ref analyst agrees with you on all counts and it seems I've also misconstrued his views on the ball running out in penno situations. :blush:

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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:01 am

Cheers Bob and no worries , I know it won't be a surprise but I agree with everything that ref says :D . Either way I'm glad Atwell had a mare as it worked in our favour as opposed to last season .
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:02 am

Luckily it was so early in the 2nd half that the ref probably hadn't woken up yet. :D

We were quite lucky with the point to be honest.  It was one of them games though were we might of even nicked it on another day.
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:19 pm

Chalkboards

This is apparently a great way for checking players stats etc.  pass completion and all that.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:52 pm

This from Tonight's Liverpool Echo by Dominic King

SAME final score, different mood and appraisal.

If Roy Hodgson entered Anfield’s Press room on Wednesday night sodden and angry, he left it on Saturday calm and cautiously optimistic.

While a 2-2 draw with Northampton Town was a precursor to one of the most wretched moments in Liverpool’s modern history, another 2-2 – this time with Sunderland – has given Hodgson hope that all might not be lost.

Some supporters will be puzzled by Hodgson’s optimism. Having had chance to reflect on what can only be described as a lively 90 minutes, they will be concerned about a number of issues surrounding their team and what this performance means for the future.

For starters: how could a side that burst out of the blocks with the impetus of a 100 metre sprinter lose its way so badly?

Why have all Liverpool’s first half displays this season been so laboured?

Is this a signal of the level that Hodgson’s men are really at?

It is hard to analyse Liverpool without worrying, particularly when you cast a glance at the Premier League table and see them stuck in the lower reaches with fewer points than all the promoted teams and just one win to their credit from their opening six matches.

When you consider on Saturday that Fernando Torres led the attack, Steven Gerrard, Raul Meireles, Joe Cole and Dirk Kuyt offered attacking options and the back four was perhaps as strong as it can be, it was alarming to see them so totally dominated by Sunderland at times.

Here’s where it gets worrying; if talent of that level cannot brush aside a team that, in truth, can be expected to finisher no higher than between eighth and tenth, what does that signify for Liverpool’s prospects?
Bleak, would be the obvious answer and listening to Steve Bruce talk afterwards, you were able to draw a clear impression of what the rest of the Premier League make of events going on inside Anfield’s corridors of power right now.

“It’s very difficult to judge anyone after six games – even 15 months,” said Bruce. “I think Liverpool have the right man in charge – he’s got vast experience in a difficult time. Always in my experience if it’s unstable above you, with those who employ you, then it filters down.

“It’s unbelievable about this club because it’s never had that. It’s always been stable at the top and run properly. It’s always been an institution. At the moment it’s not got that and it filters down. So for Roy – and everyone concerned – it’s going to be a difficult time ahead until it gets resolved.”

You could easily dismiss those words as the mischievous offering of a former Manchester United player, eager to highlight the misery of one of his greatest rivals but it would be wrong to do so; Bruce is not someone who indulges in malevolence and his appraisal was offered with genuine sincerity.

Everyone knows Liverpool will be in dire straits until, at the very least, Tom Hicks and George Gillett disappear and, amid the vitriol, there was an element of poignancy to the sit-in demonstration which followed the game.

Just before the near 3,000-strong throng headed home, a sombre rendition of “All we are saying, is sell up and go” was sung, the weary tone making it clear that the torment and suffering has gone on far too long.

Enough is enough.

So when you throw into the equation a struggling team to go along with absent owners, you have the recipe for a calamity – which is why Hodgson’s post-match comments were all the more out of keeping with the scene.

“Some of the players we believe can lift the team are beginning to find their legs – like Torres and Gerrard as prime examples,” Hodgson offered. “It was only (Raul) Meireles’ second start, another start for Joe Cole. There are moments giving me satisfaction.”

For those moments to become much more consistent, then, surely it is time for Hodgson to play this line-up regularly and allow them to build up a rapport. Chopping and changing does no good and, if anything, only makes things more difficult.

Take Torres. His every move is being scrutinised at the moment; every time he fails to smile it is seen as a signal that he is ready to hand in a transfer request, every time he misses a chance it is said that he is out of form and not the force of old.

Absolute nonsense. Two assists here – one for Dirk Kuyt, the other for Steven Gerrard – mean Torres is now responsible for five of the six goals Liverpool have scored this season and his work rate was impeccable; another 90 minutes in Utrecht on Thursday would do him no harm at all.
Bruce might have grumbled that Torres was “unsporting” in the build up to Liverpool’s bizarre opening goal but he would do well to turn his ire on Sunderland defender Michael Turner, who was far too lackadaisical when taking a fifth minute free kick.

That should have been the springboard for Liverpool to push for a morale boosting win but, worryingly, Sunderland took a grip of the game and fully deserved the lead that Darren Bent’s double either side of half-time gave them.

Only a late rally, which resulted in Gerrard’s bullet header, enabled Liverpool to avoid the “black” day Hodgson had feared was about to unfold but that rally – which should, in all honesty, have achieved a win but for Daniel Agger’s dreadful last minute miss – lifted the manager’s spirits.

This might be Liverpool’s worst start to a Premier League campaign since 1992 and Hodgson has collected fewer points from his first six games than Rafa Benitez, Gerard Houllier, Roy Evans, Graeme Souness and Kenny Dalglish, but none of that matters.

What is important is for Liverpool to find the form that will carry them into a position with which they are more accustomed – and the only way that will happen is if the ‘A’ team gets on the same wavelength.

Play them every week? Play them every four days more like.

Totally agree with this piece especially on the part which suggests Roys insistence on being economical with the truth in regards to our recent performances   is doing us no favours ....Liverpool fans are for the most part intelligent and would sooner hear the truth after an abysmal performance rather than excuses ......However on the other side of the coin  its high time we gave the tabloids no ammunition  to mock us with ...time to engage ourselves in the siege mentality we used to use to our advantage so well ,and turn what should be a collection of very  angry players into the menace they should be displaying to all who play them ...........
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