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by **maguskwt** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:58 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Better formation , better set up , better tactics , better performance , well deserved result - played the players the way they best perform . Was a bit nervy towards the end but if manager can continue with that set up and tactics then we will improve and we will move up the table and he will continue as manager . Now has to show it wasn't just one swallow and go out and do it again . Atmosphere is ground was a bit muted for large parts of the game . Overall well done - good result . Special mentions to Lucas and Maxi who had their best game for us this season .

Fair and balanced reaction, mate.

Precisely...

let it be known that the Posse is fair!

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:02 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Dundalk wrote:I was also impressed with Miereles today who at the end of the season will have about 5-8 goals from long range to his name as his shooting is excellent

As was I, mate. I like his 'pass and move' instinct and the way he drifts into little pockets of space to receive the ball. He's not shy to put a foot in or put his head in where it hurts either, even if he can be brushed off the ball a little bit as a little fella. As for the long-range shooting, he's clearly got a bit of the 'release the kracken' about him, which should add another dimension to our attacking play and set pieces. He's looking like a good signing.

This is going to upset a few and ruffle a few feathers BUT

I actually think he is a better allround cm than Alonso - a better mix and capable of doing any job in the middle . He would of worked brilliantly alongside either Xabi or Masher - If Rafa had got him instead of Aquilani then things may well of been different last season .

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:04 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Better formation , better set up , better tactics , better performance , well deserved result - played the players the way they best perform . Was a bit nervy towards the end but if manager can continue with that set up and tactics then we will improve and we will move up the table and he will continue as manager . Now has to show it wasn't just one swallow and go out and do it again . Atmosphere is ground was a bit muted for large parts of the game . Overall well done - good result . Special mentions to Lucas and Maxi who had their best game for us this season .

Fair and balanced reaction, mate.

Precisely...

let it be known that the Posse is fair!

The posse for manager
:buttrock

by **maguskwt** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:10 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Dundalk wrote:I was also impressed with Miereles today who at the end of the season will have about 5-8 goals from long range to his name as his shooting is excellent

As was I, mate. I like his 'pass and move' instinct and the way he drifts into little pockets of space to receive the ball. He's not shy to put a foot in or put his head in where it hurts either, even if he can be brushed off the ball a little bit as a little fella. As for the long-range shooting, he's clearly got a bit of the 'release the kracken' about him, which should add another dimension to our attacking play and set pieces. He's looking like a good signing.

This is going to upset a few and ruffle a few feathers BUT

I actually think he is a better allround cm than Alonso - a better mix and capable of doing any job in the middle . He would of worked brilliantly alongside either Xabi or Masher - If Rafa had got him instead of Aquilani then things may well of been different last season .

Different types of midfielders Alonso and Meireless, can't be compared. I believe Alonso is one of the best distributers in the game where as Meireless is a dynamic midfielder. I actually think that Meireless did alot better today than Gerrard has done so far at CM. But the decision by Roy to continue to play him on the right after switching to 4-4-2 puzzles me. Gerrard should be playing on the right and not Meireless.

by **tubby** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:11 pm

Dundalk wrote:Bob

SSShhhhh.....SSShhhhhh.....

Keep it down it here, some of us are trying to sleep!

I think your getting a little carried away mate. Yes the team and Roy done well today so he can sleep easy but that doesn't hide the fact that we are in the relegation zone. If we can win the next 2 games then you may have something to shout about but from me it's still Roy out!

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:13 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Dundalk wrote:I was also impressed with Miereles today who at the end of the season will have about 5-8 goals from long range to his name as his shooting is excellent

As was I, mate. I like his 'pass and move' instinct and the way he drifts into little pockets of space to receive the ball. He's not shy to put a foot in or put his head in where it hurts either, even if he can be brushed off the ball a little bit as a little fella. As for the long-range shooting, he's clearly got a bit of the 'release the kracken' about him, which should add another dimension to our attacking play and set pieces. He's looking like a good signing.

This is going to upset a few and ruffle a few feathers BUT

I actually think he is a better allround cm than Alonso - a better mix and capable of doing any job in the middle . He would of worked brilliantly alongside either Xabi or Masher - If Rafa had got him instead of Aquilani then things may well of been different last season .

Different types of midfielders Alonso and Meireless, can't be compared. I believe Alonso is one of the best distributers in the game where as Meireless is a dynamic midfielder. I actually think that Meireless did alot better today than Gerrard has done so far at CM. But the decision by Roy to continue to play him on the right after switching to 4-4-2 puzzles me. Gerrard should be playing on the right and not Meireless.

Yes different types of CM mate but both occupy the same area and i think OVERALL Merieles could well be a better CM .

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:15 pm

"ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK " finally the manager gives us a game plan that sparks some hope ....so credit where credit is due for 70 minutes the football was reminiscent of the way Roy Evans teams used to play ,then the last 20 minutes we sat back deep again and invited pressure by not compressing the play further up the pitch ..... if we can eradicate this from our play then we will be a much more compact outfit that can force mistakes from our opponents ... that said 3 pts and a decent display which could have been considerably better if not for Robinsons interventions ... now if we can collect 3 pts at Bolton then our season will be under way and the manager would have earned a stay of execution ........... I still personally feel he is not the right man if I am honest .... but performances such as this may just earn him a stay of execution where the new owners are concerned
Special mention must go to Rodriguez who I think was excellent .....classy player ....Soto was almost Hyypia like at times ... Torres took his goal well ...and Cole,s most efficient game for us since he flattered to deceive in pre season
all in all a good result ...... however just to finish.... I still have serious reservations concerning Konchesky the last 20 minutes he was dangerously profligate with possession ...and any other team would have hurt us albeit from the toothless Blackburn

by **tubby** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:20 pm

My Promise To Roy

There was pressing. There was a higher defensive line. There was no Poulson to slow the game down. Meireles was not marooned on the wing. The game was taken to the opposition. There was passing and movement, playing to the strengths of the players. It was what so many of us have been calling for.

Play like that in six of the next eight games, and Roy Hodgson might find the criticism from fans (myself included) dissipating. So that’s my promise: more of this, on a consistent basis, and all can still be forgiven.

Of course, after the abject start to the season, there’s no leeway now. That’s the problem; one good performance doesn’t undo that damage. The Reds remain in the relegation zone with exactly one-quarter of the season gone, with a goal difference of -5. In any other season that would be utterly unthinkable.

But a well-deserved win – 2-1, but only kept respectable by Paul Robinson in the Blackburn goal – can become a platform for continued improvement. An understandably edgy last 20 minutes did not detract from a superb first 70, and as well as scoring and being a decoy for the second, Soto Kyrgiakos – one of the Reds’ best attacking players all season (which says a lot about the form up to now) – was also denied two blatant penalties.

If Roy stop the embarrassing, unbefitting comments in the media and come to understand what Liverpool fans want from their manager – defending his own players rather than deferring to the likes of Alex Ferguson – then he can have some hope.

Keep this up, and I’ll admit I was too premature in some of my judgements.

However, the performance also showed what his critics have been saying all along: the players are there; if not to be top four, then at least to be in the vicinity. The players are there to play football and create chances. Eight members of the squad played in the 4-1 win at Old Trafford, and plenty of other talented players remain at the club.

Soto Kyrgiakos has been immense as a Liverpool player; one of Benítez’s supposed flops, he continues to excel at both ends, all for a measly £1.5m. (Roughly the same price paid at the end of last season for the hugely promising Jonjo Shelvey.) £1.5m was also the price paid for the club’s top scorer this season, David NGog.

Without Poulson anchoring the midfield (as in mooring it to the bottom of the sea), Lucas Leiva – outstanding for Brazil the other week – showed that given the right colleagues, he’s a top young talent worth a lot more than the £6m paid. Martin Skrtel looks back to his beastly best, and Maxi – a free transfer – showed that if the Reds play at a good tempo, he can pass and move with the best of them (as he did at the end of last season, and for Argentina at the World Cup). And the formation was 4-2-3-1, following the style of the previous manager, rather than the 4-4-2 usually preferred by the current one.

Of Hodgson’s own signings, Joe Cole and Paul Konchesky had pretty decent games – Cole was in and out, but when ‘in’ he was making things happen – and Raul Meireles confirmed that he is a top-class central midfielder, after games wasted on the wing and up front.

Perhaps the first home game of the new NESV era showed that with the ownership situation resolved, the talent is able to express itself; last season, under Benítez, and this season under Hodgson, has involved that black cloud.

We were never going to see the best of Liverpool with Gillett and Hicks lingering like a bad smell (that also makes your money vanish), but we did expect at least a few decent displays this season. Game nine, and we finally have one.

In the week an Arsenal fan told me he thought I was being too harsh on Roy, but admitted that we were awful versus Everton. When I said that Roy felt that was our best display, he saw my point.

By contrast, this was like watching the Brazil of 1970. Perhaps that’s part of the problem for those defending Roy – a lot haven’t seen the 90 minutes of our every game this season. Even at 0-0 at half-time against Blackburn, you could feel some pride in the display, and not feel embarrassed by the timid tactics.

But let’s not get carried away either.

It was only at home, and perhaps it’s got so bad that a very good performance at Anfield (following a 0-0 in Europe that was trumpeted by some as if it was a 1-0 win at Real Madrid) is seen as a real achievement.

Well, it’s not; it should be the norm (not every week, as no-one can have it all their own way every week, but most weeks).

Blackburn are a poor side, and without their two rocks at the back – Samba and Nelson (also their set-piece weapons) – they were weaker at both ends of the pitch. They lacked the pace and skill to hurt Liverpool, so in some senses they were the perfect opposition, especially after their other giant, Nzonzi, limped off. Today’s visitors were 17th in the table, not 7th.

But the one thing I’ve been asking for since mid-August is something to cling to in terms of performance. It has taken far, far too long, but at least it arrived; better late than never.

This performance and result still doesn’t prove that Roy is the right man for the job. Today, Plan A worked. There is still no evidence of a Plan B, and his awful away record as a Premier League manager has yet to be addressed. The next two games – Bolton away and Chelsea at home – will tell us more. Four points, and/or two good displays, and some momentum might build. (Edit: as someone just pointed out to me, four of the next six games are away, and the Reds have played more at home than on the road so far. After those six games we’ll have a better idea of how good we can be under Roy.)

But today’s 2-1 win does give him something to use as a benchmark to show us what his team can be capable of. He got the players expressing themselves under the pressure of an on-field crisis, and he deserves credit for that. There has clearly been player unrest, but play like this, and if the manager stops saying the wrong things to the press, and that can continue to heal.

So with that in mind, my promise is to back off and give him a bit more of the benefit of the doubt (in the way that I had been giving him until the end of last week).

It’s still by far the worst start by a Liverpool manager since before Shankly, but that will be forgotten if a real revival – and not just a mini one – transpires.

The football today put a smile on my face, and I’d rather that continue to be the case than end up being proven right about Hodgson’s suitability. Prove me wrong beyond a couple of games, and I’ll be a happy man.

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/10/my-promise-to-roy/
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Overall a very unbiased article, I think even you bigMick will enjoy reading that.

It's a good win yes, but he has to keep it up, and we need to see us play as well away from home.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:51 pm

Where are all the c...ts now?

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:53 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Where are all the c...ts now?

You will have to narrow that down a bit and be a bit more specific

by **bigmick** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:01 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Where are all the c...ts now?

You will have to narrow that down a bit and be a bit more specific

Yes I must confess I had to surpress the knee jerk "I'm here" myself :laugh:

.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Where are all the c...ts now?

You will have to narrow that down a bit and be a bit more specific

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:09 pm

Just want it clear who your talking about mate - the list could be endless

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:37 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Where are all the c...ts now?

I didnt know that was another word for "posse"

by **rocky29** » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:36 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Dundalk wrote:I was also impressed with Miereles today who at the end of the season will have about 5-8 goals from long range to his name as his shooting is excellent

As was I, mate. I like his 'pass and move' instinct and the way he drifts into little pockets of space to receive the ball. He's not shy to put a foot in or put his head in where it hurts either, even if he can be brushed off the ball a little bit as a little fella. As for the long-range shooting, he's clearly got a bit of the 'release the kracken' about him, which should add another dimension to our attacking play and set pieces. He's looking like a good signing.

This is going to upset a few and ruffle a few feathers BUT

I actually think he is a better allround cm than Alonso - a better mix and capable of doing any job in the middle . He would of worked brilliantly alongside either Xabi or Masher - If Rafa had got him instead of Aquilani then things may well of been different last season .

Different types of midfielders Alonso and Meireless, can't be compared. I believe Alonso is one of the best distributers in the game where as Meireless is a dynamic midfielder. I actually think that Meireless did alot better today than Gerrard has done so far at CM. But the decision by Roy to continue to play him on the right after switching to 4-4-2 puzzles me. Gerrard should be playing on the right and not Meireless.

Yes different types of CM mate but both occupy the same area and i think OVERALL Merieles could well be a better CM .

feckme ive heard it all now. this kid since the moment he came here all i hear is he could be this hes gona be that. now hes better than alonso :laugh:

talkabout mega over-hype. and the only people doing it are all the aqua-bashers trying to point score like little children its pathetic.

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