Liverpool FC Forum

[johnbarnes]

Drastic action is needed to implement change,either Karius or Ward is given a regular run between the sticks ,and Arnold gets the opportunity to make RB his own and in a similar vein Gomez moves to CB, or we persist with players more than prone to individual errors. I'd also throw Grujic in at DM and give him time to learn that role,but with all these changes the manager needs to afford them the time to grow into their positions and not withdraw them from action with every mistake,mishaps will happen but at least we can look forward to some form of a consistent eleven without the same faces costing us points game after game,I mean the constant chopping and changing of those positions has done us no favors whatsoever as no one is given time to become familiar with their role, partnerships need to grow and our back four need to know they will see 'albeit from injury' the same faces alongside them week after week.

To be fair tho, that's been part of the problem. A part from injuries and fixture congestion, the back 4 has been picking itself. Because of this, Lovren has become complacent, especially with any move for a new CB falling away during the summer.
But I agree about Gomez and Arnold... Both have huge potential.

[bunglemark2]

Bring in Agger and Hyypia as consultants. Period. And Hansen too. Any half decent defender we ever had who can show a video of how it's done.
That's how we fix this defence.

[johnbarnes]

Bring in Agger and Hyypia as consultants. Period. And Hansen too. Any half decent defender we ever had who can show a video of how it's done.
That's how we fix this defence.

Wishful thinking. Defending is an art form just like attacking.
Firstly JK's perception of defending needs to change. Then investment in the right personnel to play in the right system needs to be made.
3 in midfield is not the future IMO. There needs to be a key link between defence and attack which is what an additional body in the middle of the park should bring.
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If JK is adamant on using 3 attacking players then surely the same could be said at the back in defence.
3 CB
5 Midfield
2 upfront
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A system that will also bring DS into consideration each week, providing he is fit.
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IF managers are seeking a radical system that the world will admire why not go...
5 at the back. 2 midfield and 3 upfront. The 5th man in defence could be a false DM that can shift between defence, midfield and attack...
Or put simply, a box to box player.
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Who knows eh?

[bunglemark2]

Bring in Agger and Hyypia as consultants. Period. And Hansen too. Any half decent defender we ever had who can show a video of how it's done.
That's how we fix this defence.

Wishful thinking. Defending is an art form just like attacking.
Firstly JK's perception of defending needs to change. Then investment in the right personnel to play in the right system needs to be made.
3 in midfield is not the future IMO. There needs to be a key link between defence and attack which is what an additional body in the middle of the park should bring.
---
If JK is adamant on using 3 attacking players then surely the same could be said at the back in defence.
3 CB
5 Midfield
2 upfront
---
A system that will also bring DS into consideration each week, providing he is fit.
---
IF managers are seeking a radical system that the world will admire why not go...
5 at the back. 2 midfield and 3 upfront. The 5th man in defence could be a false DM that can shift between defence, midfield and attack...
Or put simply, a box to box player.
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Who knows eh?

Sorry, an "art form"?? Talking through your hoop fella...
What's the art behind clearing a ball, attacking it, committing to win a tackle, having a pair of nads..

[bunglemark2]

Look what former players have to say:
Riise:
So much can be said about the defending today. Can’t bother tonight. Having a night watching all the Hangover movies instead.
Traore:
no way you can win trophy with that defense #TOTLIV come on @LFC wake up
Thompson:
Any decent Lfc fan with half a brain feels misled because they can see we are way short!! Need Gk CF CB well basically lacks a spine!!
Aldridge:
Defending at its worse folks!!!!gifts!

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Coutinho has revealed the Liverpool boss has repeatedly told the players how to stop the goals they have been conceding. He told ESPN Brazil: "The goals were goals that could have been prevented. It started out wide and we end up conceding one of those goals the manager speaks about.

"He speaks a lot about this - we've conceded a lot of goals like this. And obviously in attack we were unable to score the goals necessary to draw or turn around the game.

"We were in the game during the first-half then the goal we conceded made everything worse." He added: "The first goal started in a wide position where everyone is involved in defending, not just the players right at the back.

"We have to improve this as quickly as possible in order to win games and fight more. With difficult games like this one, we know it's these things that decide them. So we need to concentrate more to deal with balls like this.

"The first goal was scored after four minutes and the second one after 12 or 13. It's difficult to play away from home against a strong team when you start like that.

"We have to work hard. Those passages of play, those set pieces from wide positions. We have to concentrate more to deal with them."

Kind of beggars the question why the f*ck aren't they listening then 

[johnbarnes]

Bring in Agger and Hyypia as consultants. Period. And Hansen too. Any half decent defender we ever had who can show a video of how it's done.
That's how we fix this defence.

Wishful thinking. Defending is an art form just like attacking.
Firstly JK's perception of defending needs to change. Then investment in the right personnel to play in the right system needs to be made.
3 in midfield is not the future IMO. There needs to be a key link between defence and attack which is what an additional body in the middle of the park should bring.
---
If JK is adamant on using 3 attacking players then surely the same could be said at the back in defence.
3 CB
5 Midfield
2 upfront
---
A system that will also bring DS into consideration each week, providing he is fit.
---
IF managers are seeking a radical system that the world will admire why not go...
5 at the back. 2 midfield and 3 upfront. The 5th man in defence could be a false DM that can shift between defence, midfield and attack...
Or put simply, a box to box player.
---
Who knows eh?

Sorry, an "art form"?? Talking through your hoop fella...
What's the art behind clearing a ball, attacking it, Edit: committing to win a tackle, without getting sent of or cautioned., having a pair of nads..

Well my hoop apparently is the same hoop than has seen:
- Italy win the WC 4 times and the EC Once
- Greece win the Euro's in 2004 - Without a proven world class prolific striker.
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YOU SIR need to stay well clear of my hoop.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Look what former players have to say:
Riise:
So much can be said about the defending today. Can’t bother tonight. Having a night watching all the Hangover movies instead.
Traore:
no way you can win trophy with that defense #TOTLIV come on @LFC wake up
Thompson:
Any decent Lfc fan with half a brain feels misled because they can see we are way short!! Need Gk CF CB well basically lacks a spine!!
Aldridge:
Defending at its worse folks!!!!gifts!

Only Thompson as a former world class defender can proffer his critique on defending, Traore don't make me f*cking laugh,even Riise if you take away the goals and power shots was an average LB prone to more than the odd brain fart,he was lucky to have world class CB's covering his flank as well as his *****.

[Ghost of Shankly]

It's not just the defence that looks shaky, our midfield needs sorting as well, as it doesn't look solid.

[kazza]

Coutinho has revealed the Liverpool boss has repeatedly told the players how to stop the goals they have been conceding. He told ESPN Brazil: "The goals were goals that could have been prevented. It started out wide and we end up conceding one of those goals the manager speaks about.

"He speaks a lot about this - we've conceded a lot of goals like this. And obviously in attack we were unable to score the goals necessary to draw or turn around the game.

"We were in the game during the first-half then the goal we conceded made everything worse." He added: "The first goal started in a wide position where everyone is involved in defending, not just the players right at the back.

"We have to improve this as quickly as possible in order to win games and fight more. With difficult games like this one, we know it's these things that decide them. So we need to concentrate more to deal with balls like this.

"The first goal was scored after four minutes and the second one after 12 or 13. It's difficult to play away from home against a strong team when you start like that.

"We have to work hard. Those passages of play, those set pieces from wide positions. We have to concentrate more to deal with them."

Kind of beggars the question why the f*ck aren't they listening then 

They can listen all they want but as long as they are average players they will be inconsistent and that is exactly our issue, too many average players. Best manager in the world still needs better players. Not only are Lovren and Mignolet not good enough to improve the players around them, they are actually bad enough to make the better players around them look worse. That state has been with us for a while.

[redshade]

I was going to say the same thing after reading the article. Coaching average players won't make a difference. Klopp really needs to change personal in the squad. Maybe his trying to unlock potential but when an average player has hit his peak then there is no going forward.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Coutinho has revealed the Liverpool boss has repeatedly told the players how to stop the goals they have been conceding. He told ESPN Brazil: "The goals were goals that could have been prevented. It started out wide and we end up conceding one of those goals the manager speaks about.

"He speaks a lot about this - we've conceded a lot of goals like this. And obviously in attack we were unable to score the goals necessary to draw or turn around the game.

"We were in the game during the first-half then the goal we conceded made everything worse." He added: "The first goal started in a wide position where everyone is involved in defending, not just the players right at the back.

"We have to improve this as quickly as possible in order to win games and fight more. With difficult games like this one, we know it's these things that decide them. So we need to concentrate more to deal with balls like this.

"The first goal was scored after four minutes and the second one after 12 or 13. It's difficult to play away from home against a strong team when you start like that.

"We have to work hard. Those passages of play, those set pieces from wide positions. We have to concentrate more to deal with them."

Kind of beggars the question why the f*ck aren't they listening then 

They can listen all they want but as long as they are average players they will be inconsistent and that is exactly our issue, too many average players. Best manager in the world still needs better players. Not only are Lovren and Mignolet not good enough to improve the players around them, they are actually bad enough to make the better players around them look worse. That state has been with us for a while.

Even average players have enough about them to ensure they're switched on for 90 min's plus,I mean the goals we have conceded have been predominantly  down to lapses in concentration and for supposed highly paid professionals its simply something that shouldn't happen.   

My personal opinion is a team can have four unremarkable defenders ,but if they work as a team and have the time to build an understanding then they can evolve into an efficient unit ,Burnley and Huddersfield are example's of this.

I think the managers constant rotation of keepers and defenders has had a detrimental effect on the team, after all 'relationships' need to be given time to grow in strength  and only with a modicum of fans patience can this come to fruition.

We need to come together as fans and support whatever transition comes next ,because transition is sadly once again a key word with regards to the rest of this season.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Damning stats
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/outfielder_block

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/head_clearance

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/aerial_won

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_tackle

[Ghost of Shankly]

I'd only keep Alexander-Arnold, Matip and Robertson. Other than those three, we need a completely new defence and goal keeper. But Klopp is not a massive transfer market manager, so don't expect big personnel changes anytime soon
He rates Lovren highly and thus gave him a new 5 year 25m contract. Read into that what you will as to the character of our manager.

[Pig Catcher]

Came across some interesting stats about our defensive record on another forum. Show's how good we've been at home, how we've improved from set pieces, and how we've had a couple of shocking defensive performances away from home.

- Overall, we have the 6th best defence in the league. 23 goals conceded. 2 less than Arsenal, 3 more than Spurs.

- At home, we have the best defensive record in the league. 3 goals conceded, 7 clean sheets. Next best is Utd with 5 goals, 7 clean sheets.

- We’ve conceded 5 set piece goals this season. Less than Man Utd and Spurs. We are 7th best in this particular table. Chelsea, City, Burnley, Everton, Arsenal and Newcastle are above us.

- We’ve conceded 20 goals away from home. That puts us in 18th position in this table. Of these 20 goals, 15 have been conceded in four games - 5 at City, 4 at Spurs, 3 at Watford, 3 at Arsenal.