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Postby dawson99 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:56 am

It's a f*cking travesty and one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the world.
On the one side you have Hilary Clinton. Apparently she is souly to blame for Benghazi (as if the army doesn't have it's own intelligence) takes money from Oil Barons and kills children. People die mysteriously around her (really???) and she used the wrong email account. Oh, and she has a vagina.

Now Trump. He mocks the disabled, which by itself should be enough to get him banned. He also mocks the parents of dead soldiers, and says soldiers who were caught in the line of duty can't be very good. He openly admits sexually abusing women and at his far right rallies incites violence and offers to help people financially if they go to caught for punching someone. He blatantly lies, then says how is he supposed to fact check everything. He wants a register, some kind of marking system for Muslims. I think Hitler had the same idea a few years back. He thinks Mexicans are murderers and rapists. He is a misogynist who thinks if a woman has an abortion she should be jailed and guns should be able to be bought with no background checks. He wanted to ban Obamacare and take free health care away from 20 million people. He also wanted to jail Hilary and 'drain the swamp' getting rid of lobbyists and old style politicians. The very day he gets the win he says he loves part of Obamacare, he thinks Hilary is a great woman, and now he has surrounded himself with right wing facist lobbyists and old style politicians. 

Yet people still say he is the better choice!!! He doesn't even believe that Global Warming is a thing. Sure in his first year he will create a few 1000 jobs digging for fossil fuels as he repeals the paris climate treaty. The scary thing is when he gets bored of the job (which he will) and the scary right right right wing facist racist republicans he has sitting with him take control of things. They are already going to change the justice system for the worse. They will change district lines and take away more voting opportunities for lower income people.

Scary scary scary times, and we haven't even mentioned Russia or the Iran Nuclear treaty or what he'll do with North Korea lol... but he's the better choice because he has a penis
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Postby woof woof ! » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:47 am

He's a fking Nazi conman of the 1st order.

A serial liar who spouts anything that comes to mind but never offer any facts to back up his rhetoric.

His companies have had to file for bankruptcy on six occasions.

His "Trump University" was nothing more than a scam, as outlined below.

Donald Trump, among his many court battles, has three civil lawsuits that accuse him, his eponymous school, the university’s former president, and an LLC behind the venture of fraud, breach of contract, false advertising and racketeering, a pattern of illegal activity — specifically mail and wire fraud — designed to defraud the public.

Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the U.S. judge overseeing two of the lawsuits against President-elect Donald Trump and his Trump University told both sides they would be wise to settle the case “given all else that’s involved,” reports Reuters.

Given that he is now President-elect, some are wondering why he doesn’t settle before the November 28 trial, which would reveal in detail that Trump University was a shell game—literally. It was a university in name only that didn’t confer degrees, for example, and Donald Trump is accused of running a criminal organization under RICO, The Federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.

The latest development from a source familiar with the discussions says the White House-bound mogul’s legal team wants a global settlement that would end all three complaints, including a lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, according to the New York Daily News.

And “We are not going to settle this case out cheaply,” Patrick Coughlin, an attorney for the plaintiffs, told reporters last Thursday. So Trump’s allegedly fraudulent behavior could seriously damage his pocketbook, as well as he reputation.

The Trump University fraud trials have a 6-year history. Lawyers for the president-elect are squaring off against students who claim they were lured by false promises to pay up to $35,000 to learn Trump’s real estate investing “secrets” from his “hand-picked” instructors.

Instead, they were lured into maximizing their credit cards in what was characterized as a classic Bait and Switch scheme. Instead of professional courses in real estate investing that were personally supervised by Donald Trump, they were handed materials copied from other courses, and taught by instructors with no record of success, or any other qualifications.

And Donald Trump walked away with $millions. The underlying civil lawsuit names Trump as a defendant and claims his now-defunct Trump University defrauded students out of $40 million in course fees. The case was first filed in 2010 and covers a class of some 7,600 students in New York, Florida and California-that included veterans, retired police officers and teachers. Trump personally received approximately $5 million of it, despite his claim, repeated in the Time Magazine interview, “that he started Trump University as a charitable venture.”
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:37 pm

The best candidate was Bernie Sanders but he was stitched up by the Democratic Party machine.
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Postby aCe' » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:02 pm

Public wanted Bernie, the party had to back Hillary. Republicans failed to stop him, and tada !

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Postby Reg » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:29 am

Donald Trump settles Trump University lawsuit for $25 million

18 NOVEMBER 2016 • 10:14PM
Donald Trump has agreed to settle a series of fraud lawsuits brought against his Trump University enterprise for $25 million.

The settlement if approved would silence a dispute that dogged his presidential campaign, with opponents accusing him of "fleecing" students. 

“The victims of Trump University have waited years for today’s result, and I am pleased that their patience — and persistence — will be rewarded by this $25 million settlement," said Eric Schneiderman, the New York attorney general who brought the case.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... 5-million/
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This is one of a number of fraud cases Trump is now having to settle before becoming president. Read about the case, it shows Trump to be a common hustler, swindling $40 million of student fees and feeding them plagarised material from other courses presented by non professional 'teachers'......
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Postby Reg » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:45 am

Amazon v Donald Trump? Jeff Bezos may soon face his biggest challenge yet

The president-elect has been verbally sparring with Bezos for months. Now things could get a lot tougher for Amazon

Friday 18 November 2016

The Black Friday discount shopping event will help the American online retailer to continue its run of 22 years of unbroken and dramatic sales growth since it was founded in 1994 by Jeff Bezos. It is now valued at more than $375bn (£304bn), making it one of the biggest companies in the world.

However, despite the predicted spending spree on Black Friday, the rise of Amazon and Bezos now face arguably their biggest challenge yet - Donald Trump.

Throughout the US presidential election campaign, Trump made disparaging comments about Amazon and Bezos, prompting a war of words that looks altogether more serious in the wake of the billionaire tycoon’s victory over Hillary Clinton.

The battle started last December with a series of seemingly unprompted tweets from Trump. “The Washington Post, which loses a fortune, is owned by Jeff Bezos for purposes of keeping taxes down at his no-profit company, Amazon,” Trump wrote. “If Amazon ever had to pay fair taxes, its stock would crash and it would crumble like a paper bag. The Washington Post scam is saving it!”

The Washington Post is owned through Bezos’s personal investment firm, rather than Amazon, and Trump did not provide any explanation for his allegation. Amazon’s tax policy is controversial and is already well-known around the world, including in Europe, where it agreed favourable tax arrangements with Luxembourg. Its profit margins are also notoriously thin. In 2015, Amazon recorded sales of $107bn but net profits of just $596m, a margin of barely 0.5%.

Bezos responded to Trump’s tweets in a light-hearted manner, threatening to send him to space with his Blue Origin rocket business. “Finally trashed by Donald Trump,” he said. “Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket #sendDonaldtospace.”
However, the battle took a more sinister turn for Amazon when Trump addressed a campaign rally in Texas two months later. “Believe me, if I become president, oh do they have problems, they are going to have such problems,” Trump said of Amazon and Bezos.

The Republican presidential candidate then told Fox News that Amazon is “getting away with murder tax-wise” and has a “huge antitrust problem because he’s [Bezos] controlling so much”.

Trump’s criticism of Bezos and Amazon appears to be at least partly connected to his frustration at the Washington Post conducting investigations into his business dealings and questioning his suitability to be president. At the Texas event where he criticised Amazon, Trump also referred to “purposely negative and horrible and false articles” about him.

Bezos eventually hit back, accusing Trump of comments that “aren’t appropriate” for a president and which “erodes our democracy around the edges”.

However, the Amazon boss was forced to change his tone when the result of the presidential election was confirmed. “Congratulations to Donald Trump,” he wrote on Twitter. “I for one give him my most open mind and wish him great success in his service to the country.”

Shares in Amazon dropped by almost 10% in the five days after Trump’s election, more than other technology companies such as Google and Apple.

It is unclear what action Trump could take against Amazon, with the president-elect not expanding upon his threats with specific policies.

Despite its size, Amazon still accounts for a relatively small proportion of the retail market, meaning Trump’s claims about a huge antitrust problem are dubious. Its global sales in 2015 of $107bn were dwarfed by Walmart’s $482bn. In the UK it accounts for roughly 1.8% of sales, although it is the market leader in physical entertainment, where it accounts for 20.4% of sales.

However, the new president could choose to examine Amazon’s control of its delivery drivers, its relationship with small businesses who sell products through its website, or Bezos’s ownership of the Washington Post.

Neil Saunders, a retail analyst in the US at Conlumino, said: “The main threats have been over tax and anti-trust. The antitrust point is something he could try and pursue, but it would not be in his power to pronounce Amazon guilty and it is very doubtful that any other government agency would do so.

“On the retail side there is no antitrust case to answer as Amazon does not exert dominant control over any one area of the market. On the point about Jeff Bezos’s ownership of the Washington Post, this isn’t an antitrust case as it is an entirely different business sector to the retail operation.

“The tax threats are largely hollow. Amazon does pay corporate tax, but its tax payments are limited because it is not the most profitable of companies. The same holds true for the Washington Post. Sales tax is not a matter for the federal government so Trump has no power over that area of taxation.”

However, Trump undoubtedly has the power to hurt Amazon. The company’s latest annual report, published before Trump’s victory, warns of the threat to its financial performance from “laws and policies of the US and other jurisdictions affecting trade, foreign investment, loans, and taxes”. If Trump pursues a protectionist trade policy with tariffs on imports and exports then Amazon’s business model – which relies on moving goods quickly from warehouses in one country to customers in another and selling them at a low price – will be under pressure.

Ultimately, becoming an enemy of the most powerful man in the world is unhelpful for the company. Reports in the US claim that Amazon has hired a veteran Washington lobbyist, Seth Bloom, to represent it on antitrust matters.

“Having an occupant of the White House who is unfriendly towards your business is not a comfortable position,” Saunders added. “Inevitably it means Amazon will need to keep looking over its shoulder, which is an annoying distraction from the day-to-day business.”
The war of words between Donald Trump and Jeff Bezos, the boss of Amazon, has been fought across social media and at campaign events in the runup to the presidential election. Here are the key tweets and comments:

Email to employee who had raised concerns about Trump’s election: “We’re a company of builders whose diverse backgrounds, ideas, and points of view are critical to helping us invent on behalf of all our customer. But it’s not only that diversity and inclusion are good for our business. It’s more fundamental than that — it’s simply right. These are enduring values for us and nothing will change that.”

Speaking at conference in October about criticism from Trump: “He’s not just going after the media, but threatening retribution to people who scrutinize him. He’s also saying he may not give a graceful concession speech if he loses the election. That erodes our democracy around the edges. He’s also saying he might lock up his opponent. These aren’t appropriate behaviors.”

Interview to Fox News in May: “Amazon is getting away with murder tax-wise. He’s using the Washington Post for power so that the politicians in Washington don’t tax Amazon like they should be taxed. He thinks I’ll go after him for antitrust. Because he’s got a huge antitrust problem because he’s controlling so much, Amazon is controlling so much of what they are doing. The whole system is rigged, whether it’s Hillary [Clinton] or whether its Bezos.”

Campaign event in Texas in February: “I have respect for Jeff Bezos, but he uses the Washington Post to have political influence and I got to tell you, we have a different country than we used to have. He owns Amazon, he wants political influence so that Amazon will benefit from it. That’s not right. And believe me, if I become president, oh do they have problems, they are going to have such problems
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This guy is no better than Putin.... I really worry where this is going.
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Postby Reg » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:50 am

Dictators around the world will delight in Trump’s victory

From Russia to the DRC, authoritarian regimes will take their cue for what is acceptable from the new illiberal order in the White House

Friday 18 November 2016

Every year for the past decade, democracy has declined around the world. At the same time authoritarian rule is on the march. In all regions of the world democratic reformers are losing a global battle against savvy despots and counterfeit democrats – the wolves in sheep’s clothing who pretend to be “of the people, by the people, and for the people”, but are really none of the above. We might have already surpassed “peak democracy”, the high-water mark of political freedom around the world.

Donald Trump’s rise to the White House will now accelerate the decline of democracy, perhaps irreversibly. While his election is correctly seen as a unique threat to American democracy, the much more lasting victims of America’s vote will be those fighting around the world for a meaningful voice in their politics – from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Belarus, from Uzbekistan to Thailand. With Trump in the Oval Office, ordinary citizens living under despotism will find their already weak voices muted, their plight ignored.

We don’t know exactly what Trump’s foreign policy will entail. But we do know four crucial facts. First, the past 18 months in America represent an extremely effective advertisement to the world against democracy. Few people in other nations looked at that endless campaign and thought: “I wish we had that here!”

Second, Trump’s signature foreign policy line of his campaign was that he would put “America First”, a slogan that has its roots in American Nazi sympathisers who favoured isolationism before Pearl Harbor.

Third, we know Trump isn’t that bothered by authoritarian rulers and their practices.

And finally, we know the west is splintered, more than ever since the cold war, on how it handles Russia.

The combination of these facts is very bad news for those who relentlessly believe in, and tirelessly fight for, democracy in their respective societies. For democracy to spread, leaders and their citizens must believe it is worth adopting. At the end of the cold war, there was a surging belief that we were approaching “the end of history”, a moment when all countries would gravitate toward liberal democratic rule. Today that idea seems almost laughable. As a result of that lost faith in democracy as a concept, authoritarian regimes are now hiding behind the broken shards of western democracy as a pretext to justify their iron-fisted rule. In May, for example, a general in Thailand’s military junta told me: if Donald Trump is what democracy looks like, don’t sign us up for it. Too many people will buy into this line of thinking, and democracy’s retreat will accelerate accordingly.

Worse, though, the west’s already checkered support for democracy is now likely to be replaced by a drastically pared-down diplomatic approach. Trump sees diplomacy as an economic deal; winners are those with trade surpluses, and losers are those with deficits. That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of foreign policy, a misunderstanding that sees a long-term commitment to promoting democracy as a mere waste of money. As western funds to support democracy begin to decline, the rug will be pulled out from underneath those brave pro-democracy reformers who are counting on us in the dark authoritarian realms of the world.

Not only that, Trump is sending a clear authoritarian signal to the rest of the world. Last December he said of the worst chemical attack by a state on civilians in modern history, which left up to 10,000 Kurds dead: “Saddam Hussein throws a little gas, everyone goes crazy. ‘Oh he’s using gas!’” When Trump normalises state atrocities or suggests that Putin is a normatively good leader simply because he is strong, that signal is not lost on the 100-plus countries that are stalled somewhere between dictatorship and democracy. Those leaders take their cue for what is acceptable – and what will elicit diplomatic consequences – from the White House. If they have been listening to Trump, despotic leaders will begin to believe that they can get away with quite a bit more brutality.

Moreover, some African despots – like Joseph Kabila of the DRC – have hinted that they just needed to cling to power long enough to see President Obama replaced by Trump. In Kabila’s view, Trump won’t care too much if an African leader violates term limits and overstays his time in power. Sadly, Kabila probably is right.

Others, like President Duterte of the Philippines, are already crowing publicly about the new illiberal order in the United States. Duterte has been referred to as a Filipino Trump for his populism, but his regime has already committed roughly 3,000 extrajudicial killings under the pretext of a crackdown on drugs. Duterte was one of the first to congratulate Trump on his “well-deserved victory”. When Duterte was asked whether the two men would get along, he simply replied that he thought they would because “he [Trump] has not meddled in the human rights”.

And even if none of these dire predictions comes to pass, it is clear that there are sharp differences between Washington and Europe, and cracks between London and Brussels. That alone is good news for Vladimir Putin. And Syria’s President Assad hailed Trump’s victory as “promising” and called him a “natural ally”. He is right to celebrate, because it is obvious that working closely with Russia requires selling out the principles of liberal democracy and human rights.

And that, unfortunately, is where Trump’s Art of the Deal diplomacy may be most perilous. When push comes to shove, democracy is a bargaining chip that Trump is all too willing to sacrifice. The darkest decade for global democracy since the end of the cold war is about to get a lot darker.
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Postby laza » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:18 am

Still cant get my head around that result

While I certainly understand anger and disillusionment working/middle classes in USA (and most other western countries for that matter) who haven't seen the benefits of the globalized  trickle down economy feel.

Still cant understand how voting for one of those tax dodging , illegal immigrant employing,  greed is good 1 percenter nut jobs  who gave some vague notions and slogans helps the situation.

Really the stuff of 1930s Germany and scary times indeed.
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Postby devaney » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:36 pm

What I find most surprising is the fact that a country with a population of over 300m ends up giving the voting public a choice of either Clinton or Trump  :help
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:43 am

laza » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:18 pm wrote:
Really the stuff of 1930s Germany and scary times indeed.


In a nutshell  :nod
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Postby Boocity » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:48 am

The US seems to go from one extreme to another, Bush who's sole mission was chaos in the Middle East to a totally inept Obama and now to an egomaniac like Trump, however the electorates mistrust of the Clinton clan certainly helped his cause. In the end though it is the decision of the US people that has to be accepted and I hope any of his extreme views disapate once he's in power. The problem is I believe the presidential system allows far too much power in the hands of any one person and in the hands of the wrong person this can be very scary indeed.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:16 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:37 am wrote:The best candidate was Bernie Sanders but he was stitched up by the Democratic Party machine.


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they won't learn from their mistakes though.

whole establishment needs changing, Trump is part of it, even though it seems he isn't.

Today he basically threatened flag burners of jail and loss of citizenship. Someone didn't read up on his first amendment.

I think nationalism is bogus.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:24 pm

Americans once again taking parody to new extremes, although they do say the rats actually learn to enjoy the maze   ???  I personally think certain parts of America should stick to chewing tobacco and incest and leave the voting cards to people with the capacity for thought !
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Postby maguskwt » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:06 am

abit off topic but related to billionaires. Today's billionaires are the new dictators. They could probably get away with murder if they played their cards right. Trump could get away with assaulting women which he bragged about openly and I wouldn't be surprised if there were actually more serious kind of assault involved. Another billionaire Peter Thiel bankrupted a media company (Gawker) for outing him as gay; He bankrolled Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against the company and several others. With their limitless resources they could get away with almost anything...
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Postby Reg » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:50 am

That's always been the case throughout history, look at the US oligarchs, J. P. Morgan,  Andrew Carnegie,  John D. Rockefeller etc.. they controlled government etc...

Still, let's hope for a miracle.
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